[Ro]A small guide to Crimrose

tehprognoob wrote:

PhoenixAir wrote:

tehprognoob wrote:

-snip-

there's so many things wrong with this build

Specify please?

(I have been playing this game for ~ 110 hours, according to the channel list screen.)

-you have excess str and wlk, and tuned for high boost alpha when they could easily be high boost beta
-you have 40 fly when the last breakpoint is 38
-no point of having 2 int cart upgrades and 38 fly, too much cost. you have about 100 seconds of infinite fly time, no point in having 38 fly at that point.
-Auto Beam Rifle is a horrible weapon to use along with seraph wings, the point of seraph wings is to abuse anti homing as well as be in constant flight. the way abr works is shooting while strafing back and forth or chasing a target so that all 3 beams hit. you kill the purpose of anti homing if your strafing with seraph wings because you dont move around enough.
-fully tuned bots should never have unused capacity(if you want hp tune for hp, dont add more capacity carts then)
-Mecha Jetter Ams aren't that great of an investment. Tentrion AM is more accessible now and is better than mecha jetter ams

also not as big of a problem but good luck getting slotted Eve Ornaments and Ace of Heart Earrings

PhoenixAir wrote:

tehprognoob wrote:

Revised a little

【Robot Name】
Seraph Crimrose

【Parts】
BD： Seraph Crimrose BDγ
　： Slayer Bit
　： Seraph Crimrose LG [High Boost Alpha] [High Boost Alpha] [High Boost Alpha]
　： Seraph Crimrose HD
　　： Eve Hair Ornament [High Boost Beta]
　　： Ace of Hearts Earrings [High Boost Beta]
　： Seraph Crimrose BS2
　： Mecha Jetter AM [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha]
　　： Auto Beam Rifle
　： Mecha Jetter AM [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha]
　　： Buckler [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tough]

【Config Check】
COST： OK
BS： OK
LG： OK

【Stats】
TYPE： 空
SIZE： S
COST： 1190
CAPA： 1260
HP： 429
STR： 4
TEC： 27
WLK： 2
FLY： 40
TGH： 12

LEVEL： 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×7
Enhance internal weapon×2
Quick Jump

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×12
Red Chip×65
Yellow Chip×45
Stabilizer×45
Turbo Charger×42
Brake Damper×13
Drum Magazine×30
Guide Circuit×35
Hard Plate×11

there's so many things wrong with this build

No Quick Boost is annoying, although this looks like a Wing Spammer build so you don't need.
40 FLY is luxury, toss a High Boost out and replace with High Tech Alpha.
11 TGH is the breakpoint, drop High Tough to Tough.

Like Phoenix's said already, ABR does not work very well with Seraph Wings. Drop it and grab something better, like Mini Bazooka/WBG/LPG/PG/BGM.

38/40 FLY is useless if you play Wing Spammer. If you so desire, you can drop to 31 or 34 so you can play Seraph outside of shitty-ass Wing Spammer builds, but most Seraph users with this type of build don't.

EVE Ornament has never come 1s as far as I remember. Ace of Hearts Earrings 1s might exist in the UC Gara, but to date I haven't heard of anyone getting one of those.

Honestly, I see Bucklers on Seraph as a waste of time. If you're playing Wing Spam, Bazooka shots are gonna rip that thing off you quickly unless you're playing max height and/or circling techniques(once the dumbasses get it in their heads that their spam2win missiles aren't working). If not, Missile projectiles are gonna rip it off quickly as well. I prefer to toss the shield in favor of a Mini Bazooka for Antiair capabilities and for heavy damage to ground targets(relying heavily on evasion tactics and basic dodging skills, if you don't have this...well honestly you should take the time to develop these, but if you don't stick with the shield. Also, don't swap out the Buckler for Minizook if you've already replaced ABR with Mini), but that's my preference.

Your lack of ground movement carts coupled with the lack of Quick Boost makes you just so much fresh meat if you're dumb with your Seraph Wings. The fact that you're 5 cost over 1185(Crim's next Cost cap down) makes this a lot more aggravating, so this isn't a problem that's easily fixed. You'll have to modify your entire build to fit in something like Float Dash or Short Boost, and also Quick Boost if you want.

Your average TEC is a problem. Not fatal, but annoying. It's easily fixed by modifying your FLY stats and replacing them with High Tech Alpha/Tech. You can gain a total of 6 TEC by dropping STR to 1(cut out three High Boost Alphas, dropping FLY to 34), and then use your remaining cost on Tech to obtain at least 33 TEC.

FireKiller87 wrote:

Like Phoenix's said already, ABR does not work very well with Seraph Wings. Drop it and grab something better, like Mini Bazooka/WBG/LPG/PG/BGM. - Learn to aim

38/40 FLY is useless if you play Wing Spammer. If you so desire, you can drop to 31 or 34 so you can play Seraph outside of shitty-ass Wing Spammer builds, but most Seraph users with this type of build don't. - Nope, 28 is the maximum for a wing spammer

EVE Ornament has never come 1s as far as I remember. Ace of Hearts Earrings 1s might exist in the UC Gara, but to date I haven't heard of anyone getting one of those. - Both of them don't have slots

Honestly, I see Bucklers on Seraph as a waste of time. If you're playing Wing Spam, Bazooka shots are gonna rip that thing off you quickly unless you're playing max height and/or circling techniques(once the dumbasses get it in their heads that their spam2win missiles aren't working). If not, Missile projectiles are gonna rip it off quickly as well. I prefer to toss the shield in favor of a Mini Bazooka for Antiair capabilities and for heavy damage to ground targets(relying heavily on evasion tactics and basic dodging skills, if you don't have this...well honestly you should take the time to develop these, but if you don't stick with the shield. Also, don't swap out the Buckler for Minizook if you've already replaced ABR with Mini), but that's my preference. - Yeah, ABR + Mini Zook

Your lack of ground movement carts coupled with the lack of Quick Boost makes you just so much fresh meat if you're dumb with your Seraph Wings. The fact that you're 5 cost over 1185(Crim's next Cost cap down) makes this a lot more aggravating, so this isn't a problem that's easily fixed. You'll have to modify your entire build to fit in something like Float Dash or Short Boost, and also Quick Boost if you want. - Quick Boost and Float Dash. If you're not wing spamming, add a Quick Jump

Your average TEC is a problem. Not fatal, but annoying. It's easily fixed by modifying your FLY stats and replacing them with High Tech Alpha/Tech. You can gain a total of 6 TEC by dropping STR to 1(cut out three High Boost Alphas, dropping FLY to 34), and then use your remaining cost on Tech to obtain at least 33 TEC. - Don't drop to 34FLY when you're not wing spamming, always go to 38FLY. If you're Wing Spamming, it's 28FLY max. Put mobility over damage.

Fixed up some misconceptions.

Spoiler:

-3s Mach Knight AM from anywhere it drops
-replace one high tech alpha with tough

Aurum_Sol wrote:

Rinrin wrote:

Aurum_Sol wrote:

-snip-

Rinrin wrote:

i dont take tuning into account.

in that case accel ams are still better unless you are in DIRE need of the 1 fly

someone doesnt play air bots much.

LXE wrote:

FireKiller87 wrote:

Like Phoenix's said already, ABR does not work very well with Seraph Wings. Drop it and grab something better, like Mini Bazooka/WBG/LPG/PG/BGM. - Learn to aim

until u actually use it urself and see.

Rinrin wrote:

LXE wrote:

FireKiller87 wrote:

Like Phoenix's said already, ABR does not work very well with Seraph Wings. Drop it and grab something better, like Mini Bazooka/WBG/LPG/PG/BGM. - Learn to aim

until u actually use it urself and see.

Welp, still learning to aim.

Rinrin wrote:

LXE wrote:

FireKiller87 wrote:

Like Phoenix's said already, ABR does not work very well with Seraph Wings. Drop it and grab something better, like Mini Bazooka/WBG/LPG/PG/BGM. - Learn to aim

until u actually use it urself and see.

I agree

Aria wrote:

Rinrin wrote:

LXE wrote:

until u actually use it urself and see.

I agree

Welp, I did try.

Rinrin wrote:

Aurum_Sol wrote:

in that case accel ams are still better unless you are in DIRE need of the 1 fly

someone doesnt play air bots much.

i will clarify it for you:

if you can not reach your set goal for fly ( in most cases 34 or 38 ) without slapping on those crappy mj ams instead of the better variant accel saber am, then this would be "in DIRE need of the 1 fly"

and this still ignored the option to just tune 1 boost onto accel am to turn it into a mj am with 1 more tech for the same cost

Aurum_Sol wrote:

Rinrin wrote:

Aurum_Sol wrote:

in that case accel ams are still better unless you are in DIRE need of the 1 fly

someone doesnt play air bots much.

i will clarify it for you:

if you can not reach your set goal for fly ( in most cases 34 or 38 ) without slapping on those crappy mj ams instead of the better variant accel saber am, then this would be "in DIRE need of the 1 fly"

and this still ignored the option to just tune 1 boost onto accel am to turn it into a mj am with 1 more tech for the same cost

which i shall then refer u back to my other post.

Rinrin wrote:

which i shall then refer u back to my other post.

the one with insufficient information or the other one, that explains why you give insufficient information?

its nothing personal, but:
its a guidethread, if you give information, make sure its complete - because if its not complete, it can cause more harm then anything else
some people might actually look for advice in these threads

Ladies, please

xzpwnz wrote:

Accel arms are a horrible alternative for s-sized bots

xzpwnz wrote:

Ladies, please

xzpwnz wrote:

Accel arms are a horrible alternative for s-sized bots

pretty much this.
use lily rain AM or something

Er, I can get Tentrion AMs for 600 UC each I have a 3-slot one and I bought a 1S one.

I gather that those are acceptable, right?

'Cause I've been getting a lot of info that's hard to sort for a Diamond-15 rank

Since I have no Rt, nor plans for Rt, I kind of want to stick with Wing+ AMJs with MINIMAL tuning. My Seraph is 31 FLY with no Tune if I slap on Wing + AMJs, Tentrion AMs and Mini Bazooka. Which means that a few one-slot parts down the drain and I'll be good to go FLY-wise.

This is my first time planning a bot. It's hard to decide between going with less tuning or having to rely on Wings spam, but because I don't die a lot the wing cannot be abused.

So many decisions QQ

xzpwnz wrote:

Ladies, please

xzpwnz wrote:

Accel arms are a horrible alternative for s-sized bots

Because it's M-sized, it's larger than Cross Raptor AM.

tehprognoob wrote:

Er, I can get Tentrion AMs for 600 UC each I have a 3-slot one and I bought a 1S one.

I gather that those are acceptable, right?

'Cause I've been getting a lot of info that's hard to sort for a Diamond-15 rank

Since I have no Rt, nor plans for Rt, I kind of want to stick with Wing+ AMJs with MINIMAL tuning. My Seraph is 31 FLY with no Tune if I slap on Wing + AMJs, Tentrion AMs and Mini Bazooka. Which means that a few one-slot parts down the drain and I'll be good to go FLY-wise.

This is my first time planning a bot. It's hard to decide between going with less tuning or having to rely on Wings spam, but because I don't die a lot the wing cannot be abused.

So many decisions QQ

Tentrion ams are pretty good

LXE wrote:

xzpwnz wrote:

Ladies, please

xzpwnz wrote:

Accel arms are a horrible alternative for s-sized bots

Because it's M-sized, it's larger than Cross Raptor AM.

Your skills of deduction are amazing, detective conan

xzpwnz wrote:

LXE wrote:

xzpwnz wrote:

Ladies, please

Because it's M-sized, it's larger than Cross Raptor AM.

Your skills of deduction are amazing, detective conan

mfw

O_o

It's probably because you've been doing that for a while(quoting xz and stating the obvious).

nzlk wrote:

It's probably because you've been doing that for a while(quoting xz and stating the obvious).

Hell, I'm Captain Obvious.

i shoulda stopped when i saw it was Aurum_Sol.

xzpwnz wrote:

Ladies, please

xzpwnz wrote:

Accel arms are a horrible alternative for s-sized bots

finally.

LXE wrote:

xzpwnz wrote:

Ladies, please

xzpwnz wrote:

Accel arms are a horrible alternative for s-sized bots

Because it's M-sized, it's larger than Cross Raptor AM.

omaigawd, srsly!? i didnt noe M was larger than S!

xzpwnz wrote:

Your skills of deduction are amazing, detective conan

i loled.

Rinrin wrote:

i shoulda stopped when i saw it was Aurum_Sol.

you wont have to read my stuff the second you stop writing stupid things in guidethreads, its that simple

Rinrin wrote:

xzpwnz wrote:

Ladies, please

xzpwnz wrote:

Accel arms are a horrible alternative for s-sized bots

finally.

he wrote that alot of posts ago already, theres no reason for you to put a "finally." under it as this unrelated to the comparison of mj am to accel am
+ i already wrote that there are better alternatives

Aurum_Sol wrote:

Rinrin wrote:

i shoulda stopped when i saw it was Aurum_Sol.

you wont have to read my stuff the second you stop writing stupid things in guidethreads, its that simple

Rinrin wrote:

xzpwnz wrote:

Ladies, please

finally.

he wrote that alot of posts ago already, theres no reason for you to put a "finally." under it as this unrelated to the comparison of mj am to accel am
+ i already wrote that there are better alternatives

u obviously didnt understand, and im not gonna bother anymore.

and that finally was to mean 'finally, u post again to say'
+ i already wrote i dont use either of them cos they both suck.

Whoa major cat fight, lets agree to disagree. I'm trying to get a few tips here for my first crim but I can't filter so much stuff at once.

Wouldn't mind seeing a much simplified Seraph guide myself....

Finally got one recently after ages of work, and the blasted thing's -way- too fast in the air for me in Seraph-form...; can't keep it properly aimed at anything...tackle's useless for me, given my utter fail at melee...garaged her after 2 matches and haven't touched her since...maybe I'm just missing something despite the fact I constantly get shredded by them....

CapeMike wrote:

Wouldn't mind seeing a much simplified Seraph guide myself....

Finally got one recently after ages of work, and the blasted thing's -way- too fast in the air for me in Seraph-form...; can't keep it properly aimed at anything...tackle's useless for me, given my utter fail at melee...garaged her after 2 matches and haven't touched her since...maybe I'm just missing something despite the fact I constantly get shredded by them.... :(

tackle isnt necessarily used only for melee attacking, its also used as evasive maneuver

there are many ways to play seraph, its possible that you just played it in a way that doesnt suit your playstyle