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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyWed Jul 27, 2011 3:43 pm

Yea, I'm leveling my Maril Trill right now and you just knock them out of the sky with sound balls then come in and hit them like a raging VF with her arm gun, instata dead AIR. I'm fairly sure it's a very high % blast because it doesn't do a ton to LAND most the time, but does like 4x against AIR's. The tiny advanatage of the 10 force one is a faster reload, a little longer range and a ton more ammo, so it's a bit more spammable. Their decent weapons if something is too close to you.

I agree with the cocktail bomb being bad. I've tried to use it for a while, determined that if I used RT on it, even on sale I was gonna make use of it, but the homing is horribad and I've seen several people walk through the flames without getting hit. It's semi-spamable as a tiny saving grace but not enough you can make a wall of fire or anything. It goes high enough that it frequently gets stopped by hitting the PS and doesn't go far enough to take advantage of lobbing it onto different levels, unless your just messing with someone perched on a cliff. But with the bad homing it'll probably take a few shots or a lot of practice to get it to hit the right place with the right angle, even if their not moving. Hell if you get hit with the Bad Homing status effect you might get more accurate.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyWed Jul 27, 2011 6:44 pm

Maril video I was talking about: http://en.niconico.sarashi.com/?sm13480290&1.5
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyWed Jul 27, 2011 9:54 pm

@Dracatis wrote:
Yea, I'm leveling my Maril Trill right now and you just knock them out of the sky with sound balls then come in and hit them like a raging VF with her arm gun, instata dead AIR. I'm fairly sure it's a very high % blast because it doesn't do a ton to LAND most the time, but does like 4x against AIR's. The tiny advanatage of the 10 force one is a faster reload, a little longer range and a ton more ammo, so it's a bit more spammable. Their decent weapons if something is too close to you.

AIRs, you know you suck if you've been hit by a maril sound ball.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyWed Jul 27, 2011 10:25 pm

@Hyoka wrote:
@Dracatis wrote:
Yea, I'm leveling my Maril Trill right now and you just knock them out of the sky with sound balls then come in and hit them like a raging VF with her arm gun, instata dead AIR. I'm fairly sure it's a very high % blast because it doesn't do a ton to LAND most the time, but does like 4x against AIR's. The tiny advanatage of the 10 force one is a faster reload, a little longer range and a ton more ammo, so it's a bit more spammable. Their decent weapons if something is too close to you.

AIRs, you know you suck if you've been hit by a maril sound ball.

If you watch intet's video you see how bad the homing is.

Trill's balls aren't bad though.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyThu Jul 28, 2011 1:17 pm

Yes, Trill's Sound Balls are a bit better and I like that they can chase multiple targets so even if you miss one, at least you have some chance to hit others. Then you just own the face of whoever happens to fall from the sky with one of her arms Razz
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyThu Jul 28, 2011 2:22 pm

Trill arms have horrible accuracy, replace with regular Maril AM.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyThu Jul 28, 2011 3:35 pm

Fireflowers: does Blast melee damage and 5% chance to inflict Burn ailment

Also good luck trying to hit anything with stand-in place melee, lol
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyMon Aug 01, 2011 3:04 pm

Fireflowers aren't shitty. They're like reskinned pompoms.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyMon Aug 01, 2011 3:14 pm

@Arti wrote:
Fireflowers aren't shitty. They're like reskinned pompoms.
They can also extend your flight time by 2~3 seconds.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyMon Aug 01, 2011 8:07 pm

@Suguri wrote:
@Arti wrote:
Fireflowers aren't shitty. They're like reskinned pompoms.
They can also extend your flight time by 2~3 seconds.

Arti: who said they were?

Sugu: you mean activating while in flight?
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyMon Aug 01, 2011 8:14 pm

@knyx wrote:

Sugu: you mean activating while in flight?
Yep. Unlike most melee weapons you don't angle downward if you use it mid-flight, and you can do the entire combo airborne without boost instead of just the first part of it.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyMon Aug 01, 2011 8:45 pm

@Suguri wrote:
@knyx wrote:

Sugu: you mean activating while in flight?
Yep. Unlike most melee weapons you don't angle downward if you use it mid-flight, and you can do the entire combo airborne without boost instead of just the first part of it.

I'm pretty sure scaregant's knife and bomb also travel horizontally during combo, I've never seen it angle downwards.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyMon Aug 01, 2011 9:50 pm

That might have more to do with the inflight tilt vs the weapon properties.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyMon Aug 01, 2011 10:48 pm

I originally thought boost gun was shitty.

...Until I put a triple great rapid beta on it and stuck it on a hopper.

725 speed accelgun bullets.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptyMon Aug 01, 2011 10:51 pm

Boost Gun is one of my favorite guns even untuned.

Seems they're pretty popular in JP with 1~2 high shooters.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptySat Oct 01, 2011 4:11 am

Poisedon AG-Missiles...

despite it can lock on many target, the range fail badly... also not that good for chasing air target (instead, it for running target... )
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptySat Oct 01, 2011 3:06 pm

@Courius wrote:
Poisedon AG-Missiles...

despite it can lock on many target, the range fail badly... also not that good for chasing air target (instead, it for running target... )

Don't AGMissiles mean Anti-Ground Missiles?

if that's the case...ofc they don't track airs, they're for blasting land targets into dust
I'd expect them to work somewhat like Pulsemissiles, except the targeting scheme is reversed(shooting above the target = godly, below the target = complete shit).
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Don't AGMissiles mean Anti-Ground Missiles?

if that's the case...ofc they don't track airs, they're for blasting land targets into dust
I'd expect them to work somewhat like Pulsemissiles, except the targeting scheme is reversed(shooting above the target = godly, below the target = complete shit).
Poseidon AM1 (AG missile) is comparable to Snail BD.
Shoots alot.
Locks alot.
Misses alot.
And best used as a scaring tactic.

Also, AG missiles track grounded targets better than air targets. So it's a mirrored missile. If that makes sense.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptySat Oct 01, 2011 3:39 pm

@Fireflywater wrote:
@FireKiller87 wrote:

Don't AGMissiles mean Anti-Ground Missiles?

if that's the case...ofc they don't track airs, they're for blasting land targets into dust
I'd expect them to work somewhat like Pulsemissiles, except the targeting scheme is reversed(shooting above the target = godly, below the target = complete shit).
Poseidon AM1 (AG missile) is comparable to Snail BD.
Shoots alot.
Locks alot.
Misses alot.
And best used as a scaring tactic.

Also, AG missiles track grounded targets better than air targets. So it's a mirrored missile. If that makes sense.
It makes sense.
Like how Mach Knight ONE has pulse missiles that track air targets and not ground targets unless you are not flying.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptySat Oct 01, 2011 4:19 pm

I thought MOST pulsemissiles were anti-ground weapons. Psycho Cluster/Neo, Brickgale Black AM, that crappy AMJ, Air Raider BD, Poseidon AM missiles, and Geo F Mod AMs. I think Mach Knight One is the odd one out.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptySat Oct 01, 2011 4:25 pm

@Iseal wrote:
I thought MOST pulsemissiles were anti-ground weapons. Psycho Cluster/Neo, Brickgale Black AM, that crappy AMJ, Air Raider BD, Poseidon AM missiles, and Geo F Mod AMs. I think Mach Knight One is the odd one out.
Yeah. I meant like how he was talking about mirrored missiles.
Missiles that don't actually hit the targets that you would like them to hit.
They hit targets that have defense against them lol.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptySat Oct 01, 2011 5:00 pm

I was referring to firekiller's post, with the "reversed pulsemissiles". I'm starting to doubt my previous idea that pulsemissiles gain homing as you go higher. I think it's just if you're higher, maybe up to a full jump guage. Oh, for shitty weapons, I'mma throw in Gimmick Launcher AMJ, Pulsemissile AMJ, and maybe Piercegun AMJ.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptySat Oct 01, 2011 7:53 pm

Pulse missiles only care about your altitude vs the target. As long as you're higher, they home well, even if it's a small amount of height you have. The reason people think that more height = more homing is because the homing property is more pronounced with greater differences in altitude.
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PostSubject: Re: [General]Shitty Weapon Thread   [General]Shitty Weapon Thread - Page 5 EmptySat Oct 01, 2011 11:34 pm

@Iseal wrote:
I was referring to firekiller's post, with the "reversed pulsemissiles". I'm starting to doubt my previous idea that pulsemissiles gain homing as you go higher. I think it's just if you're higher, maybe up to a full jump guage. Oh, for shitty weapons, I'mma throw in Gimmick Launcher AMJ, Pulsemissile AMJ, and maybe Piercegun AMJ.

I hear PierceGun AMJ is one of the better AMJs.

Never tried the others, so can't say.
Pulsemissiles do engage better homing systems if your altitude > your target's altitude. Making them very useful on Airs as Air flies higher than any other bot.

Mach Knight One's Pulsemissiles aren't great. They're actually quite shitty, seeing as 1)they're single fire(two pulsemissiles per clip, one clip a mag), 2)their homing seems to suck even at higher altitudes vs. the target, 3)they're really, really slow.
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I know that Pulsemissiles are better if your altitude>enemy altitude, but do they get better gradually as your height increases, or do they get the increase all at once when you pass an altitude "breakpoint"?
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