How would you improve CB?

Adept Poster Posts : 570 Join date : 2011-03-12 Age : 33

VeryMelon wrote:: I'd remove all the fucking retarded debuffs they added starting with Nicole onward.

This, especially Kagura's accel roll/air loop disable. Absolutely retarded. It's one thing to have premium time-limited cart items that enhance gameplay by a ridiculous amount that makes them damn near required on most air/art bots and builds (Though, there's plenty of air/art builds that can get away with no accel/air loop), but to add a bot that disables premium cart items is just retarded.

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:18 pm

Smart people might have realized that the more recent AIR units feature sub weapons that server the same purpose as accel roll o 3o

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:34 pm

Zwiebel Force wrote:: Smart people might have realized that the more recent AIR units feature sub weapons that server the same purpose as accel roll o 3o

That requires using specific bots or using specific parts which take up needed capacity.

So your answer is to charge more.

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:04 pm

Relict? wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:: Smart people might have realized that the more recent AIR units feature sub weapons that server the same purpose as accel roll o 3o

That requires using specific bots or using specific parts which take up needed capacity.

So your answer is to charge more.

Griest BS is 90 COST, so lolno

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:50 pm

Flapjack LG, V. Unken LG. A.L.E. Crimrose, Brickgale BS 4/5.

Relict? wrote:: So your answer is to charge more.

When you say it it sounds like there was a reliable way of getting Accel Roll tickets w/o spending Rt. TAT

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:02 pm

Advantages of Accele Roll.
- No ammo limit.
- Doesn't eat as much capa.
- Actually uses FLY for added speed.

Advantages of Roll BSes.
- No need to constantly renew.
- Doesn't eat up boost gauge.
- Can double as a Stovl.

Imo, pretty fair options.

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Fireflywater wrote:: - Can double as a Stovl.

Griest BS doesn't.

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:17 pm

LXE wrote:

Fireflywater wrote:: - Can double as a Stovl.

Griest BS doesn't.

Griest BS is an offensive tool. I don't consider it a Roll BS.

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Fireflywater wrote:

LXE wrote:

Fireflywater wrote:: - Can double as a Stovl.

Griest BS doesn't.

Griest BS is an offensive tool. I don't consider it a Roll BS.

It still does the accele roll, hell it does damage while accele rolling through enemies.

Just a quick mention - STOVL stands for "Short Take Off Vertical Landing", these Accele Roll BS usually lack the Vertical Landing feature, so technically it's actually just STO.

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:26 pm

Zwiebel Force wrote:: Flapjack LG

Massive cooldown, subwep tracking.

Zwiebel Force wrote:: V. Unken LG

Same shit.

Zwiebel Force wrote:: A.L.E. Crimrose

Even stronger subwep tracking (spoiler alert: it's meant for meleeing)

Zwiebel Force wrote:: Brickgale BS 4/5.

More massive cooldowns and BS4's isn't even faster than 38fly flight in the first place.

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:56 pm

faetaro BS has a tiny, tiny dash with a noticable cooldown, but lacks tacking. You probably didn't mention it because you're a poorfag who doesn't have it, unlike me, the richest motherfuck in this game(btw I have 7 reshas)

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:19 pm

Winty wrote:: faetaro BS has a tiny, tiny dash with a noticable cooldown, but lacks tacking. You probably didn't mention it because you're a poorfag who doesn't have it, unlike me, the richest motherfuck in this game(btw I have 7 reshas)

I hardly see ppl using these items. I don't charge more than 50 € a month on a single game :T

Suguri wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:: Flapjack LG

Massive cooldown, subwep tracking.

Zwiebel Force wrote:: V. Unken LG

Same shit.

Zwiebel Force wrote:: A.L.E. Crimrose

Even stronger subwep tracking (spoiler alert: it's meant for meleeing)

Zwiebel Force wrote:: Brickgale BS 4/5.

More massive cooldowns and BS4's isn't even faster than 38fly flight in the first place.

Never noticed any sub weapon tracking on V. Unken LG ö.ö

Jikun Hu Posts : 1147 Join date : 2011-10-28 Age : 37

Zwiebel Force wrote:: Smart people might have realized that the more recent AIR units feature sub weapons that server the same purpose as accel roll o 3o

Good thing there are no debuffs that disable your weapons hih?

Oh wait.

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:34 pm

You can only suffer from 2 debuffs at a time. And iirc Shock will overwrite Severe Booster Trouble.

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:38 pm

But then Shock fucks with your BS/LG, if you do indeed have these.

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VeryMelon wrote:: Good thing there are no debuffs that disable your weapons hih?

Oh wait.

Mhm, just like there aren't any debuffs that disable premium movement carts.

Oh wait.

Jikun Hu Posts : 1147 Join date : 2011-10-28 Age : 37

Zwiebel Force wrote:: You can only suffer from 2 debuffs at a time. And iirc Shock will overwrite Severe Booster Trouble.

So you can only be slowed and shocked at the same time. That's a relief.

Slow should be nerfed by half too. Shock should be stuck on the knife.
And no melee weapon should have more than 100 effective range, and no fucking 180 degree hitboxes.

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:20 pm

Zwiebel Force wrote:: You can only suffer from 2 debuffs at a time. And iirc Shock will overwrite Severe Booster Trouble.

Everything overwrites pretty much everything. The only debuffs that even allow another debuff to be in place are Bullet Jam/Curse/Extend Jamming.

Adept Poster Posts : 898 Join date : 2011-08-03 Age : 104

Suguri wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:: You can only suffer from 2 debuffs at a time. And iirc Shock will overwrite Severe Booster Trouble.

Everything overwrites pretty much everything. The only debuffs that even allow another debuff to be in place are Bullet Jam/Curse/Extend Jamming.

I thought Bullet Jam overrode things too, but then again, I'm too busy not being able to defend myself in any way to look at the debuff/buff list.
And what about Disorder + Bad Homing EMP missiles/arrows?

Completely agree that they should drop most of the debuff abilities, most of them should at least be nerfed. Slow should just be removed in the first place from being able to be tuned onto something, because then neither CV nor Clearance will help unless you've got a ton of HP (assuming you're getting attacked by some fast-attacking melee. Obviously there's still things where Slow isn't going to cripple you horribly because the enemy has low damage output, but why would you even tune slow on that in the first place?).
Things like Bullet Jam, Curse, Shock on Jace, Powerless, Charge Delay on Mellow and Ragna, Booster Trouble on Monica, Severe Booster Trouble, Slow Turn, etc. were just completely unnecessary. But then again, everything on the bots listed is way overdone and needs to be nerfed (except maybe air Eve), so whatever.
And then there's free buffs like CV, which should also be completely removed, and Clearance, and Vainic, and whatever else. Btw, if something gains CV through a self-buff while they have extend support, will they keep the CV? Like Feng, Eve (I think they keep CV), or things that get it while shielded like Sylvia and Eris?

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:37 pm

MagicPotatoplz wrote:: I thought Bullet Jam overrode things too, but then again, I'm too busy not being able to defend myself in any way to look at the debuff/buff list.
And what about Disorder + Bad Homing EMP missiles/arrows?

Maybe Bullet Jam straight-up overrides, I thought it filled its own debuff slot though. I know getting fire pillared doesn't remove it at any rate.

Bad Homing just has Disorder mixed into its effect. If you run into a Disorder trap then Bad Homing falls off, and you only get notified for Bad Homing when Melfi/Pulsardio hits you.

MagicPotatoplz wrote:: stuff about debuffs

Clearance/Fast Recovery and Anti-Slow/Anti-Burning are sorely underestimated, I'll just leave it at that.

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:40 pm

In-game references like breakpoints and specific stats (explosion radius, ground homing, air homing, etc.)

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:48 pm

They should add a Cooldown on some debuffs. For example, if you proc slow on a unit, you can't slow it again in like, 20 segs or so (like the stun of Chronos of HoN)
But some other ones are fine, like shock, since is something like a silence

Ace Poster Posts : 1221 Join date : 2011-07-23

Suguri wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:: You can only suffer from 2 debuffs at a time. And iirc Shock will overwrite Severe Booster Trouble.

Everything overwrites pretty much everything. The only debuffs that even allow another debuff to be in place are Bullet Jam/Curse/Extend Jamming.

you guys should try try revenge:clearance vs buff rejection+extended jammer. they frickin stack and allow other debuff to get into mix. I had like 7 debuff I icon on my screen but it seems clearance make them not taking effect (might be wrong cause I died like 3 second later)

Subject: Re: How would you improve CB? Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:06 pm

Nymph~ wrote:

Suguri wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:: You can only suffer from 2 debuffs at a time. And iirc Shock will overwrite Severe Booster Trouble.

Everything overwrites pretty much everything. The only debuffs that even allow another debuff to be in place are Bullet Jam/Curse/Extend Jamming.

you guys should try try revenge:clearance vs buff rejection+extended jammer. they frickin stack and allow other debuff to get into mix. I had like 7 debuff I icon on my screen but it seems clearance make them not taking effect (might be wrong cause I died like 3 second later)

lmao what

this sounds interesting

Ace Poster Posts : 1221 Join date : 2011-07-23

it was months ago, me rushing with 31 tgh eris + max lala buff+rone, clearance activated just before I enter their PS *feel like invicible modo*, suddenly a buff rejection !!! .. extended jammer!!!, *stun locked by massive fire power*, revenge:clearance activated *saffeee, wait, the icon still there*, *boost trouble*,*boost waste*,*slow*, *melt*.................. 3 second and die, can't recoginize the other debuff cuz under panic modo, soo many blast and particle, trying to took SS but late. I think extended jam allow multiple debuff applied?

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