New Ivis

Nymph~ wrote:

LXE wrote:

Nymph~ wrote:

how can we get attacked when invulnerable, and invulnerable mean can tank nuke haku?, how long the duration?, any restriction?

When I said invulnerable, I didn't mean invincible (I haven't tried it against Haku's explosion, I'm horrible at wb dodging as it is).

When you get hit the shield breaks.

hmm, get hit by ?
so, when invulnerable still receive (reduced) damage from attack or completely nulify them?
can AoE such as SDC/Vox penetrate it ?

I haven't really tested it enough to know.

Ask someone in your clan to help you.

LXE wrote:

Nymph~ wrote:

LXE wrote:

When I said invulnerable, I didn't mean invincible (I haven't tried it against Haku's explosion, I'm horrible at wb dodging as it is).

When you get hit the shield breaks.

hmm, get hit by ?
so, when invulnerable still receive (reduced) damage from attack or completely nulify them?
can AoE such as SDC/Vox penetrate it ?

I haven't really tested it enough to know.

Ask someone in your clan to help you.

but, I'm clanless
thx for explanation anyway

I hit of any attack and it´s disabled....

so It only save you from 1 hit. Not so good.. but at least is one less hit... I can avoid being hit by Eris uncloak.

no damage reduction, just 1 hit, that is all.

explosions wont hit you and neither does melee, didnt test drawguns or lightning guns yet, my guess is that it will also block those completly. the shield itself lasts less than a second, which is more time than you need anyways.

both of you, thanks I have a problem dealling damage when shield on cuz it seems never register

1 hit invicible shield for less than one second eh, strong but tricky, maybe able to tank nuke haku . eris can simply wait to her out of ammo(15? means less than 15 second?) as long as eris no rush braindead mode and get slowed by scary combo (fast and damn wide combo is scary) xD



how about multihitting such as elisalotte/eris melee (2 slash/click), Vox (and yeah, most ligtning gun).

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ehh, shield activated bt leftclicking, means when melee shield can't be used?

Nymph~ wrote:

both of you, thanks :#em3: I have a problem dealling damage when shield on cuz it seems never register :x

1 hit invicible shield for less than one second eh, strong but tricky, maybe able to tank nuke haku :arrow: . eris can simply wait to her out of ammo(15? means less than 15 second?) as long as eris no rush braindead mode and get slowed by scary combo (fast and damn wide combo is scary) xD



how about multihitting such as elisalotte/eris melee (2 slash/click), Vox (and yeah, most ligtning gun).

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ehh, shield activated bt leftclicking, means when melee shield can't be used?

i didnt really check if its only a one-hit-shield. i would take that comment with a grain of salt since many people would simply assume that because of the amount of time it is active.
anyways, if it is a one-hit-shield it wont save you from nuke haku, since the nuke is actually multiple high damage nukes (bit dodging doesnt make you completly immune to the nuke either, you will be vulnerable inbetween 2 damage pulses of the nuke, the trick is to time this timeframe to not hit a damage pulse of the nuke) but it will help you in evading the nuke easier, like reshas amot vainic does. (amot vainic absorbs one damage pulse of the nuke basically making it unfailable to bit dodge, since even if you screw up, the amot vainic would just absorb the one pulse that would kill you between the bit summon and desummon)

to eris:
ivis doesnt need to use her shield when eris isnt attacking, ivis has crimson veil by default, she can just react to an attack of eris to pop her shield and soak up damage, because even if she would get hit by the intial attack, she can still act because she is stun immune
ivis should be easily able to make a cloack eris think twice of engaging her

Then you get hit and your melee gets disabled. :3

you can run, cause no stun, Eris attack is combo block that also blocks Eris movement, you can run away until the melee become active then get back and kill the Eris. Simple, just resist the first attack, That is all.. same tactic works vs Resha, she shot the nuke, but the CVeils saves you from being stuned, just run straig to the Resha, she will die!!!

LXE wrote:

Then you get hit and your melee gets disabled. :3

think about it: when your eris, before you stands an ivis with crimson veil active looking straight at you, wouldnt you consider her having broad radar and waiting for you to try to attack her?

i sure know i would turn back from that enemy, its not worth shredding eris in that situation.

even if you succeded in getting the hit through (you only have on try), you will not kill that ivis because of her crimson veil she will simply go away.
basically, the mind game is completly against eris there, seeing that ivis has better cards of actually threatening the opponent.

I've tried dodging Haku with the shield quite a few times, and it doesn't seem like it lasts long enough. And I'm fairly sure that you're invulnerable for the duration, not one hit. I'll have to try it out sometime.
Edit:
It can take multiple ticks from lava, and cacti. I'll see if it applies to anything else when my friend gets on to give me a hand.

It's 1-second command invuln. No hit or damage limit.

I made a 38TGH Ivis.

>w>

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Aurum_Sol wrote:

LXE wrote:

Then you get hit and your melee gets disabled. :3

think about it: when your eris, before you stands an ivis with crimson veil active looking straight at you, wouldnt you consider her having broad radar and waiting for you to try to attack her?

i sure know i would turn back from that enemy, its not worth shredding eris in that situation.

even if you succeded in getting the hit through (you only have on try), you will not kill that ivis because of her crimson veil she will simply go away.
basically, the mind game is completly against eris there, seeing that ivis has better cards of actually threatening the opponent.

I've tried attacking Ivis's with an Eris just for testing purposes to see how the matchup plays out. I'd have to say that in a 1v1 situation with an untuned level 5 Eris, vs an unknown level/tuned Ivis, Eris (Darkness Hide path) tended to win more than Ivis simply because of her disabling subs. An Eris with C.Veil though would most definately win though due to an overall more damaging melee, and possibly by HP regain if it's a Glint Strike path Eris

Trill wrote:

I've tried attacking Ivis's with an Eris just for testing purposes to see how the matchup plays out. I'd have to say that in a 1v1 situation with an untuned level 5 Eris, vs an unknown level/tuned Ivis, Eris (Darkness Hide path) tended to win more than Ivis simply because of her disabling subs. An Eris with C.Veil though would most definately win though due to an overall more damaging melee, and possibly by HP regain if it's a Glint Strike path Eris

Is dark hide eris's disable on only the Darkness Hide attack, or does EX-Blade do it too?

Either way, glint eris loses to Ivis because even if she doesn't chain guard glint, the curse duration is short and it won't stun her. In melee range you get one hit before being stunlocked to death. You can rejection and run, but lv1 rejection provides zero damage reduction from her melee and most Ivis will be as fast as or faster than you.

If you have a prior CV proc, then sure, she's free. Ivis herself won't proc it though.

Suguri wrote:

Trill wrote:

I've tried attacking Ivis's with an Eris just for testing purposes to see how the matchup plays out. I'd have to say that in a 1v1 situation with an untuned level 5 Eris, vs an unknown level/tuned Ivis, Eris (Darkness Hide path) tended to win more than Ivis simply because of her disabling subs. An Eris with C.Veil though would most definately win though due to an overall more damaging melee, and possibly by HP regain if it's a Glint Strike path Eris

Is dark hide eris's disable on only the Darkness Hide attack, or does EX-Blade do it too?
Either way, glint eris loses to Ivis because even if she doesn't chain guard glint, the curse duration is short and it won't stun her. In melee range you get one hit before being stunlocked to death. You can rejection and run, but lv1 rejection provides zero damage reduction from her melee and most Ivis will be as fast as or faster than you.

If you have a prior CV proc, then sure, she's free. Ivis herself won't proc it though.

It's just on Darkness Hide's attack. I find that it gives me enough time to do a full melee combo, and chain into another EX Blade Inferno before I back off ( and if I can gain enough distance, Darkness Hide again). Even if she heals, at the very least she'll just waste all her ammo healing from your assault, which that alone is worth the effort, since when played right you won't be slashed (unless the Ivis is autistic as fuck and will Chain Guard through your Darkness Hide's exiting slash.

Trill wrote:

Suguri wrote:

Trill wrote:

I've tried attacking Ivis's with an Eris just for testing purposes to see how the matchup plays out. I'd have to say that in a 1v1 situation with an untuned level 5 Eris, vs an unknown level/tuned Ivis, Eris (Darkness Hide path) tended to win more than Ivis simply because of her disabling subs. An Eris with C.Veil though would most definately win though due to an overall more damaging melee, and possibly by HP regain if it's a Glint Strike path Eris

Is dark hide eris's disable on only the Darkness Hide attack, or does EX-Blade do it too?
Either way, glint eris loses to Ivis because even if she doesn't chain guard glint, the curse duration is short and it won't stun her. In melee range you get one hit before being stunlocked to death. You can rejection and run, but lv1 rejection provides zero damage reduction from her melee and most Ivis will be as fast as or faster than you.

If you have a prior CV proc, then sure, she's free. Ivis herself won't proc it though.

It's just on Darkness Hide's attack. I find that it gives me enough time to do a full melee combo, and chain into another EX Blade Inferno before I back off ( and if I can gain enough distance, Darkness Hide again). Even if she heals, at the very least she'll just waste all her ammo healing from your assault, which that alone is worth the effort, since when played right you won't be slashed (unless the Ivis is autistic as fuck and will Chain Guard through your Darkness Hide's exiting slash.

ivis has acces to broad radar, she should be able to >block< your darkness hide

Aurum_Sol wrote:

ivis has acces to broad radar, she should be able to >block< your darkness hide

Just because she has access to it doesn't mean she'll take it though. HD Ivis is pretty pressed on cart selection as is.

Though, EN uses broad radar on melee a lot more than JP does, so you can probably just disregard the above >_>

i will propably go multiple capa tunes on her, because i dont see that much benefit heaving the clearence tunes when they arent providing an extra allguard, so i will propably have assault step/br/sr and leave out one capa card for it

well, i guess with 3 clearence and active crimson veil a eris darkness hide would most likely activate the revenge tune due to damage

anyways: without broad radar its a question of reflexes and awareness of your surroundings, so basically after some time at least SOME players should be able to do it with or without br, on the other hand, this cben, so yeah

Broad radar or not, jp melee players can't derp rush PS like people do here for obvious reasons.

ivis slash still able to proc revenge tunes, even my eris with 1 CV still proc once a while or simply not getting stun dat much cuz native eris super armor on rightclick.

Nymph~ wrote:

ivis slash still able to proc revenge tunes, even my eris with 1 CV still proc once a while or simply not getting stun dat much cuz native eris super armor on rightclick.

super armor is also the reason why ivis can activate the revenge tune.

Trill wrote:

Suguri wrote:

Trill wrote:

I've tried attacking Ivis's with an Eris just for testing purposes to see how the matchup plays out. I'd have to say that in a 1v1 situation with an untuned level 5 Eris, vs an unknown level/tuned Ivis, Eris (Darkness Hide path) tended to win more than Ivis simply because of her disabling subs. An Eris with C.Veil though would most definately win though due to an overall more damaging melee, and possibly by HP regain if it's a Glint Strike path Eris

Is dark hide eris's disable on only the Darkness Hide attack, or does EX-Blade do it too?
Either way, glint eris loses to Ivis because even if she doesn't chain guard glint, the curse duration is short and it won't stun her. In melee range you get one hit before being stunlocked to death. You can rejection and run, but lv1 rejection provides zero damage reduction from her melee and most Ivis will be as fast as or faster than you.

If you have a prior CV proc, then sure, she's free. Ivis herself won't proc it though.

It's just on Darkness Hide's attack. I find that it gives me enough time to do a full melee combo, and chain into another EX Blade Inferno before I back off ( and if I can gain enough distance, Darkness Hide again). Even if she heals, at the very least she'll just waste all her ammo healing from your assault, which that alone is worth the effort, since when played right you won't be slashed (unless the Ivis is autistic as fuck and will Chain Guard through your Darkness Hide's exiting slash.

Trill that is when the Ivis is with or without CVeil? cause when I use Ivis I got the Darkness hide attack and I can dodge all the combo of Eris (22 tgh and Cveil) I just avoid Eris until I can Attack then I get the Eris blocked into Ivis attacks.

For me looks like experienced Ivis players can kill Eris without problem if Eris can't stun block. Until now no one Eris have been able to stun my Ivis, but my Eris can be stunned without problem (no CVeil Eris)

I've died to an Eris 1v1 once so far. I was ambushed without CV up. Other than that, there hasn't been much success.

I still new here and I don't really understand this ...

but if it's me, I probably gonna do this

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On other hand I still trying to get the New Ivis, since I love Ivis

WiliamZ0 wrote:

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1. Use High Run Beta tunes and put your TEC to negative. Since you're only using the WB for dodge, you don't need to have it up so high.
2. You still have FLY left over, use High Tough Alpha tunes and High Power Beta tunes. Keep it at 1
3. Equip Dual Spike Bits for extra protection during those few seconds of WB time.
4. I would use 2x slow tunes instead of those Grapplers, because of the high number of hits in the combo, you would have a decent chance of inflicting it on your target.

Nice concept though, I like it. I fixed it up for you.
The nice thing is that it is low cost, and would do fine in the arena, hell, I'd go with this build if I didn't want to clearance tune my Ivis.

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