So....I hope CB Isnt Walking to the path of Death.

I heard Rumors dat CB players are Leaving because current game system.........
i dont want CB be Closed down...(CBEN dat is...not CBJP).

Old players leaving = yes
New players coming in = possibly

Turnover in the player-base, I see more new players every day.

I will not leave, lol. Don't worry~

I'm not on as much.

Mostly because of lag so intense that I can't even get past the login screen.

it-s slow but the game is dieing... not enough free and good UC content to attract and maintain new ppls, only RT spammers are staying (the used a lot of money!!!)

the population is decreasing (now at slow speed) but the amount of open room in Arena are just like 2 o 3.... so it's hard to do Arening and UC farming, its dangerous to use the 2x items in week... u can lost time waiting for the rooms to become ready!!!

will take a time and CS still have time to save the game, but the game is getting worst (about amount of ppls) new ppls comes and leave fast... (they cant do anything vs the OP bots)


some ppls will say that no, that the game is not dying but when I started 4 or 5 monts ago, on week u could see 600-700 ppls online and on weekends 1000+ now 500 on weekends is a success!!!! and on week 300 if u are lucky, getting good parties for Haku or boss runs, hard!!! u must wait for weekends... using your 2x,3x items... better wait for weekends!!!

u can see a good amount of ppls online just when there is 2x arena event!! if no then.. the Arena could be so death!!!

just get into the game u will notice it fast and easy!!!

Considering the average amount of players online has remained stable, I wouldn't be too concerned.

150k uc for 50 rt killed it for me

DarkChuky wrote:

some ppls will say that no, that the game is not dying but when I started 4 or 5 monts ago, on week u could see 600-700 ppls online and on weekends 1000+

I don't remember ever seeing more than 600 people online.


Old players leave, new players come in. As long as they have a consistent amount of players (they do) and money for their servers (I'm almost positive they do), the game will not die.

I was talking about this to my clan last night when only 38 people total were in arena matching. I haven't seen a full 30 person room in more than a few days. I even went to an Epoch fight and only ten people showed up with me in defense. (Not last night, it was like two days ago.)

The problems as I see it are:

1.) The Lag - CS has been told about the lag problem time and time again, and their response is "we have everything working on our end, so it must be your fault." Developers that take such a stance generally don't fare well over time.

2.) Garapon Rates and Price Structure - If you don't do offers, like I do, and actually spend money on Garapon, you end up spending about $4 on each single roll and $16 on a 5x roll. For $16, most people feel you should at least get one usable bot. For $32 dollars you shouldn't get four copies of the same damned bot. (Happened to me yesterday, rolled weekly twice, got 4 Toybox BAZ.) I think they should either lower the price of RT or tweak the Garapon rates for the better. Many people are highly dissatisfied with Garapon, hence the term Garatroll.

3.) Overpowered Bots - I can't play a whole night without hearing somoene bitch about Aquila Girl, Eve, Fencer, Toybox Girl or Ivis. People that don't have them call for nerfs quite frequently. A little balancing would go a long way for this game. There are so many things they could do to reduce the over-effectiveness of some bots: decrease homing, decrease range, decrease rate of fire, et cetera. But, Cyberstep doesn't want to alienate the people that have those bots, because they are usually the people that spend the most money on this game, which puts them in a Catch 22 of sorts; should they alienate new players or alienate old ones?

4.) The Tuning System - I think they should really take a look at the tuning system for this game. I would really like to see a UC purchasable Slot Protector, or the RT prices of slot protectors drop slightly. Also, the chance of success seems outrageously low. I do understand that they want to sell you the Slot Protector and the Harmonizer, but this makes tuning a bot to your liking a highly expensive and slow going process. Also, Rainbow Chips.. would it be too much to ask for Rainbow Chips at the Crimrose store?.. even for like 1-2k each?

I really hope that Cyberstep starts to take measures to keep this game's population from falling further. I like this game; I like being able to paint my own bot by hand; I like being able to change my bot's parts and weapons around. I feel they are at a place that they should start taking measures to ensure the longevity of their intellectual property.

Intet wrote:

Considering the average amount of players online has remained stable, I wouldn't be too concerned.

The past month actually had a total of +500(300 in Ch. 1, 100 in Chs. 2 and 3).

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1.) The Lag

Dunno about that. When I asked someone if they saw me lagging, they really only saw me lagging. The lag only seems to happen if someone with a crappy connection joins the room.

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2.) Garapon Rates and Price Structure

The scheme's made for the following(could be either or)
-rich people
-dedicated people
-otakus who are willing to sell their lives for a virtual girl to call waifu

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3.) Overpowered Bots

Only Aquila Girl's truly broken. EVE, Fencer, Toybox Girl and Ivis are beatable. How broken is Aquila Girl? The people who own her actually want her nerfed. Way I see it, Ah-chan isn't getting a nerf unless the Japanese players want her nerfed.

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4.) The Tuning System

The thing about that is: the chance for tuning seems to vary, regardless of the rate. I had tuning fail at 70% 3 times in a row, and I have heard stories of people failing a tune even at 90%. While I agree, Crim selling Rainbow Chips would probably make things too easy.

NovaZero wrote:

Way I see it, Ah-chan isn't getting a nerf unless the Japanese players want her nerfed.

http://www.cosmicbreak.com/info/topic/news/4923

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Balance Adjustments

- Aquila Girl BD HOMING BLASTER: Ammo capacity and homing capability have been improved.

I guess we can't expect a nerf now.

Fireflywater wrote:

NovaZero wrote:

Way I see it, Ah-chan isn't getting a nerf unless the Japanese players want her nerfed.

http://www.cosmicbreak.com/info/topic/news/4923

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Balance Adjustments

- Aquila Girl BD HOMING BLASTER: Ammo capacity and homing capability have been improved.

I guess we can't expect a nerf now.

That's the patch that made her OP.

AnTi90d wrote:

I was talking about this to my clan last night when only 38 people total were in arena matching. I haven't seen a full 30 person room in more than a few days. I even went to an Epoch fight and only ten people showed up with me in defense. (Not last night, it was like two days ago.)

The problems as I see it are:

1.) The Lag - CS has been told about the lag problem time and time again, and their response is "we have everything working on our end, so it must be your fault." Developers that take such a stance generally don't fare well over time.

When CS decides to start ip banning people from areas that routinely lag when connecting to the host area of the game (NA) you'll have less of an issue. For me the game rarely has sever lag, but I do notice people who lag on a regular basis. There are some cases however were lag needs to be addressed, such as in large scale battles like the Vs gm event.

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2.) Garapon Rates and Price Structure - If you don't do offers, like I do, and actually spend money on Garapon, you end up spending about $4 on each single roll and $16 on a 5x roll. For $16, most people feel you should at least get one usable bot. For $32 dollars you shouldn't get four copies of the same damned bot. (Happened to me yesterday, rolled weekly twice, got 4 Toybox BAZ.) I think they should either lower the price of RT or tweak the Garapon rates for the better. Many people are highly dissatisfied with Garapon, hence the term Garatroll.

Garapon is a gamble, and it's random, accept this fact and only take a spin if you think you can make use of most the stuff in the selection. This is something that has been covered many times. Often a 5 roll will spit out at least 1 bot, and if put in weekly, chances are you'll get even more than that, due to weekly's high gold rate.

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3.) Overpowered Bots - I can't play a whole night without hearing somoene bitch about Aquila Girl, Eve, Fencer, Toybox Girl or Ivis. People that don't have them call for nerfs quite frequently. A little balancing would go a long way for this game. There are so many things they could do to reduce the over-effectiveness of some bots: decrease homing, decrease range, decrease rate of fire, et cetera. But, Cyberstep doesn't want to alienate the people that have those bots, because they are usually the people that spend the most money on this game, which puts them in a Catch 22 of sorts; should they alienate new players or alienate old ones?

Of all those bots mentioned, only 1 is actually OP, and that's EVE, ways to counter all the ones mentioned is a rather long thread in the guide section. Aquila girl is rather easily countered with proper weaponry.

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4.) The Tuning System - I think they should really take a look at the tuning system for this game. I would really like to see a UC purchasable Slot Protector, or the RT prices of slot protectors drop slightly. Also, the chance of success seems outrageously low. I do understand that they want to sell you the Slot Protector and the Harmonizer, but this makes tuning a bot to your liking a highly expensive and slow going process. Also, Rainbow Chips.. would it be too much to ask for Rainbow Chips at the Crimrose store?.. even for like 1-2k each?

It's been covered several times that you can fully tune most bots without ever touching slot protectors and harmonics. Granted it can be resource intensive, but it's quite doable.

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I really hope that Cyberstep starts to take measures to keep this game's population from falling further. I like this game; I like being able to paint my own bot by hand; I like being able to change my bot's parts and weapons around. I feel they are at a place that they should start taking measures to ensure the longevity of their intellectual property.

They actually have taken quite a few measures, that again were listed in another thread:

-Uc gara
-super uc gara, which got extended
-slot protectors added to blue balls in new garas
-updates mostly synched with CBJP
-UC> RT conversion
-regular event schedule

A lot of big-name players and clans (specifically: NoFunAllowed, Hotglue, Charlotte, Snowflake) are either dying or dead. But that's only four clans out of the entire playerbase, three of which are pretty small, and the fourth one being more of a case of people changing clans instead of quitting.

It's not the game dying you need to worry about, it's the overall level of skill you need to worry about. Once you see the top 3 clans in a union listed as Revolucion, Guerreros_Latinos, and Diversity, then you can worry.

*looks at clan rankings, sees one of those in first, one in 4th, one in 7th*

welp

Not anytime soon
They've moe money to milk off ladies

AnTi90d wrote:

1.) The Lag

I have never had a server side lag issue since the day I joined this game, any time I have lagged it's been my end and I know it. I'm also assuming it's people end and not server end.

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2.) Garapon Rates and Price Structure

Then don't roll it, herp. A gamble is a gamble.

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3.) Overpowered Bots

Do you know how many incredible bots there are to UC players disposal? Vanguard Fencer and Ivis being overpowered is an absolute joke. Toybox Girl is one of the best DPS supporters from affair, but she's a piece of crap at close range. Aquila Girl's shots are extremely sidesteppable if you see them coming and she doesn't fly any faster then everything else you can shoot with a Handy Zook or some sped up rockets. The only reason AG players also want her to be nerfed is probably because they're ability to tap left or right twice is as good as half of the players they kill. EVEs are far and few in between that people actually play well. I don't think they should alienate the older players or newer players; I think the players should just learn to play the game more like a FPS and less like a Final Fantasy or traditional MMO.

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4.) The Tuning System

Am I the only one who actually LIKES that UC garapon gives me tune items? ...on top of the tuning items I get in arena, on top of the ones I get from boss runs, on top of the 3s UC parts I get that are better then a lot of RT alternatives on top of the friends rewards, on top of the Alpha and Omega Protectors and Harmonics given in events, the only ones I ever get with the exception of bad garapon balls even though I spend a lot of money on this game? The Rainbow Chip thing is a bit of a pain in the ass, but it's not like RT players can quick-pay for a fistful of these either. They're supposed to be a little difficult for everyone to get, it's not like there's some sort of separation of power going on from this.

Maybe it sounds kind of silly to blame a community before I blame a small group of people running the show, but it's not like this game's community hasn't proved to be one of the crappiest ones I've ever seen for an MMO. If anything sinks Cosmicbreak anytime soon, a large percentage of it is probably due to the community. Other then that, no, it probably won't be dying anytime soon.

Totally related.

yeah well....
CS need to take the decreasing population problem seriously...
still...CS put TOO MANY RT item/bot...
i mean..LOOK at the item section(offtopic:Sextion)...80%RT..
and if this keep happening...CB will be dead in Slow STEADY rate...

RT is obtainable without spending real money. I currently have 302 through UC->RT (40), rank ups (10), and free offers (rest) alone. That's after buying a R.Winberrl-chan for 80 RT.

I do think CS trolls its players by putting most of the interesting bots in Garapon, but it's not like non-Garapon players don't have access to interesting bots. I've gotten Misty Hollow and Nicole Malice from Lotto Cubes, and you get at least one of those every day (more like 5+ if you play a lot).

AnTi90d wrote:

1.) The Lag - CS has been told about the lag problem time and time again, and their response is "we have everything working on our end, so it must be your fault." Developers that take such a stance generally don't fare well over time.

Hasn't been an issue for me at all, except when fighting Jikuns. That could just be their BD/legs working as intended, though. >.>

AnTi90d wrote:

3.) Overpowered Bots[/b] - I can't play a whole night without hearing somoene bitch about Aquila Girl, Eve, Fencer, Toybox Girl or Ivis. People that don't have them call for nerfs quite frequently. A little balancing would go a long way for this game. There are so many things they could do to reduce the over-effectiveness of some bots: decrease homing, decrease range, decrease rate of fire, et cetera. But, Cyberstep doesn't want to alienate the people that have those bots, because they are usually the people that spend the most money on this game, which puts them in a Catch 22 of sorts; should they alienate new players or alienate old ones?

As a new player, I can relate to this. Three weeks ago I thought it was impossible to kill anyone above triangle rank.

But now I pop two handy bazookas onto my (level 2) Lily Rain and airs drop down like flies. Eight Vulcan/Melee on Shino shreds through arts, airs, and support. Even a nublet combo like dual wide beam gun or wide beam gun, mini bazooka + tail wisp on Crimrose/Izuna turns them into pretty effective anti-land/air bots. Totally possible to dish out 1000+ damage with Crim, then die and cost your team less than 700.

The bots you mentioned definitely have haxpotential, as I've been dropped dead in 2-3 seconds by all of them except Eve, but at the same time I've killed 1000+ cost Arts in the same amount of time with my Laz-chan just by flipping on Hyper Shot (item or PS) and going pewpewpew with a Handy Magnum.


And a simpler solution could just be to increase of base cost of those bots (raising capacity by an equal amount). They'll remain as powerful as before, but also chip off larger portions of their team's CP when they die.

Magma8520 wrote:

yeah well....
CS need to take the decreasing population problem seriously...

Last time I checked the population was just the same as always in numbers, just that people's friends have been leaving so it's a lot more noticeable, thus the server is clearly dying. /sarcasm

Magma8520 wrote:

still...CS put TOO MANY RT item/bot...
i mean..LOOK at the item section(offtopic:Sextion)...80%RT..

And yet Super Garapon has things RT players wish they could've rolled for, (or did roll for with less slots) and there are UC bots that can rape most RT bots. SDC builds make most "OP" lands look like a joke. Hell, a WBG makes melee lands look like a joke, and any LND with as much or more run then a melee bot also makes them look like a joke. Victory1, Hoverion and Destructor have so much potential it's not funny, making a really ironed out one make most airs look silly. ART is always going to be ART, punch them and they explode.

CS is a business, you need to meet them halfway to expect anything. Whether it's difficult or not, CS has handed the UC community the ability to be easily on par with RT players if there ever was a RT-is-OP issue in the first place. Companys don't die because something has a price on it's head, the Call of Duty franchise doesn't die because they release a new map pack and the community goes "I QUIT." because they felt they already bought the game so they were entitled to it, not to mention they already spent 50$ when you've spent zero.

Before people said Cosmicbreak was still new and that was the excuse for some of their short comings. Now that they've been around for a while, they've brought Super Garapon, promotional items like Protectors through events and Thoarla as a chibi, Nicole to UC, a 10 RO cube campaign, the level up campaign, buyable RT, offers for RT for the younger/lazy population, chall-cubes... I can go on but I digress.

Does that mean UC players have it off really well? Yes. Does that mean they have things handed to them like those who can afford it? No, but I'm pretty sure your computer, Xbox, video games, clothes, house, food, alcohol and Yugioh Cards weren't handed to you free of charge either, the best we can expect Cosmicbreak to do for everyone is prevent a separation between UC players and RT players. I think they succeeded in that and the community decided to try their damnest to pry them apart anyways.

1) The Lag

^ My answer. Sheriff Connie and Scaregant... and maybe Boildeck.
If you werent around yesterday, you wont know why XD~

2) The Garapon Rates

^ Well, i've gotten ahold of Sliferx's account (well not ahold, but more or less, he wants to continue practicing in CB-KR) and he has a wealthy amount of parts and items that i can play around with.

3) Tuning System

^ I dont ever ever tune. I'm not a rich fag. But you know, i'm pure skill '-'~

4) Overpowered Bots

^ The only thing i really hate right now is Aquilla Girl. Even in JP, they're starting to really get ahold of her and user her as if she was a miniature sized Buriden....


5) UC to RT

^ This still kills the game :/ (EN anyways)

But yeah, i am seeing lots of new circles in Circle Arena (KBTKaiser and his Thoarla Nimbus w/ Lightning Cannon)
Old players are leaving, going drama and whatnot... i still wish someone was using my account whenever i do haku runs.... W_W

AnTi90d wrote:

1.) The Lag - CS has been told about the lag problem time and time again, and their response is "we have everything working on our end, so it must be your fault." Developers that take such a stance generally don't fare well over time.

2.) Garapon Rates and Price Structure - If you don't do offers, like I do, and actually spend money on Garapon, you end up spending about $4 on each single roll and $16 on a 5x roll. For $16, most people feel you should at least get one usable bot. For $32 dollars you shouldn't get four copies of the same damned bot. (Happened to me yesterday, rolled weekly twice, got 4 Toybox BAZ.) I think they should either lower the price of RT or tweak the Garapon rates for the better. Many people are highly dissatisfied with Garapon, hence the term Garatroll.

3.) Overpowered Bots - I can't play a whole night without hearing somoene bitch about Aquila Girl, Eve, Fencer, Toybox Girl or Ivis. People that don't have them call for nerfs quite frequently. A little balancing would go a long way for this game. There are so many things they could do to reduce the over-effectiveness of some bots: decrease homing, decrease range, decrease rate of fire, et cetera. But, Cyberstep doesn't want to alienate the people that have those bots, because they are usually the people that spend the most money on this game, which puts them in a Catch 22 of sorts; should they alienate new players or alienate old ones?

4.) The Tuning System - I think they should really take a look at the tuning system for this game. I would really like to see a UC purchasable Slot Protector, or the RT prices of slot protectors drop slightly. Also, the chance of success seems outrageously low. I do understand that they want to sell you the Slot Protector and the Harmonizer, but this makes tuning a bot to your liking a highly expensive and slow going process. Also, Rainbow Chips.. would it be too much to ask for Rainbow Chips at the Crimrose store?.. even for like 1-2k each?

I really hope that Cyberstep starts to take measures to keep this game's population from falling further. I like this game; I like being able to paint my own bot by hand; I like being able to change my bot's parts and weapons around. I feel they are at a place that they should start taking measures to ensure the longevity of their intellectual property.

1. I used to think this too, until I tried cooling off my overheating laptop. It worked like a charm, I NEVER have lag anymore.

2. Stop crying. Your luck sucks massive balls. Mine does too, just today I screwed up a 75% tune with Slot Protector Omega(which usually ends in a success, but today CS decided to crack my streak). We all have off days, grow up and deal with it. If your bad luck's with the RT Garapon(still haven't gotten that coveted Summer Promo from uc gara ;_; ), then stop bankrolling all your RT into Gara. Spend it on something more useful, like the Chibi collecting or a nice weapon or an RT shop bot, for god's sake.

3. EVE? Toy-Loli? Ivis? Fencer? What the hell are you spouting? I don't mean to be rude or anything, but they're hardly bots that could possibly be considered OP. Good EVE players are so rare now that I could line up ten EVE players and there'd be a 10% chance that I'd find one that could be considered decent. Toy-Loli eats shit at close range unless she's handling a bazooka, and even then all ya gotta do is dodge the damn thing, and her flatness explodes if she's hit by anything resembling melee. Ivis and Fencer can't do shit to anything that can hang out in the air and fly away. Ah-chan is the only bot that's truly OP in this metagame, thanks to the idiotic buff that CS decided to bestow upon her. Even then, Ah-chan's still vulnerable to guided missiles and bazookas as she lacks the anti-homing capabilities of a Seraph.
And before you spout about RT > UC, think about the good options UC has to offer. Even with the RT bots I bought cuz I liked their moe quality, the UC bots I started with are still my favorite bots to use in battle(even though I'm rusty with them now, especially Lily ;_; ). For starters, you have Crimrose, who can be easily turned into a competitor if you give her AMJs and a Minizooka, then upgrade to a Seraph and get those hax Anti-homing wings; Destructor and CN with their hax Anti-air cores, insane TGH and TEC and the ability to wield gigantic explosives...Lily Rain as one of the premier Float Dashers that any player has access to, not to mention her frequently-overlooked Psygun+Psyslicer, the former being an excellent anti-speed weapon, the latter a high-Force sniper's weapon that outranges an untuned RT Rail Gun after 2 internals...LazFlamme as an excellent hopper and Swayer, the latter of which is rarely used but stands out as a great mobility cart(not to mention the only one that doesn't rely on the boost gauge).
I could go on, but I think I'll stop here...

4. Rainbow Chips make it too easy. The current requirements for High/normal combination tunes are quite reasonable for the amount of work you need to put in for the chips.
As for the tuning system...I'll just say this: I've been primarily a UC tuner usually with access only to Alpha harmonics, maybe the occasional Gamma harmonics and slot protectors through mission challenges. Three of my bots, Seraph, Jikun Long, and Lily, are almost fully tuned just using the above materials.
tl;dr It's doable. Luck is involved, that's why there's a success rate. If one fails, suck it up and readjust your build to compensate. Maybe get a slotted AC to replace the broken one. There are ways to work around broken slots and failed tunes.
As a final note...Tuning, by nature, is a long process. It's not meant to be accomplished quickly, maybe in a few days' worth of gaming. If it was, every noob and his/her mother would have fully tuned bots gutting the hell out of each other, and eventually it'd be boring as hell because there's no achievement factor. That said factor is what makes finishing a tuned bot so rewarding in the arena: it's substantially stronger than a comparable untuned bot, piloted by players of approximately equal skill; it's much more specialized, giving the user a more customized feel built exactly to his/her playstyle; and it gives the user an edge simply because he/she accomplished so much tuning despite the crappy success rates and lack of high-end mats.
The one thing I would like to see changed in tuning is possibly the removal of a broken slot as a result of tune-up failure. It's difficult atm to farm all the tuning mats, and the pain of failure is made even worse by the fact that you lose a potential slot for improving your bot in the process. I get why it's been implemented here, but I wish it was changed.

AnTi90d wrote:

1.) The Lag

Can't say much here. Sometimes CB runs smooth, sometimes it doesn't for me.

AnTi90d wrote:

2.) Garapon Rates and Price Structure

Agree. 4 bucks for a CHANCE of something good. The Garapons need to be more balanced and cheaper. I think that Tune and Weapon balls should be paired and that the whole "Bronze, Silver, Gold" thing should be removed and have everything have equal rates, besides maybe the Top-Tier gold bot (IE, Patty, EVE, Connie). Otherwise, I don't want to waste 4 bucks to get tune up parts I will never use.

AnTi90d wrote:

3.) Overpowered Bots

Generally, OP bots are just stupidly easy to use effectively (IE, TBG can spam away and always hit, EVE just has to overdrive then spam her cannon). Which is the definition of OP to me. Weapon that has 20 force compared to a weapon that has 10 force. All other stats including COST is the same. The first is OP and second is UP. Compared to some abstract entity. But I do agree here.

AnTi90d wrote:

4.) The Tuning System

Agreed as well. Tuning is really expensive to be done effectively. The RT spent on Slot Protectors might just be better to be used on Garapons for all I care, as you might get a slot protector from that anyway (See, Lop-2). I think the most major thing is slots breaking. Material shortage, fine. Obtaining the part, fine. Percentage, fine. Should that get implemented, I think slot protectors should just give half of used material back, or something.




Also, welcome to CBFF, where everyone criticizes you for being different or having an opinion that's not equal to theirs.
I use a hammer on my Sturbanger.
I use boost run on my Suzeku.
I use Mountaiz BD over Gwyain BD.
You mad?

my only opinion to say is:

go to JP watch the teamwork, shiet brick houses at UC's (yes i've seen a Destroyer kill a full HP AG....hax shiet mang : / ) chewing Sugoi girls out (cept those well built squidols) and EVE have a hard time, come back to EN, see NO TEAMWORK at all, or half assed, Q___Q.

gday~