Leaning Forwards whilst Flying : The Thread

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Leaning forwards whilst flying? What is this guy on about...

Pull out a casual air bot. Hold down space bar, look at your cursor. Now press W and see what happens (the cursor drops down about 20ø. It raises back up again whilst you land.).
This also happens to an exaggerated extent whilst using float dash -- making it an absolute nightmare to sustain locks and not just unload in to the floor. It also causes air-melee to aim down by default. It happens with non-air bots when they fly, too. Lean also occurs during boost run.

Now here's where it gets interesting. There are exceptions to this and ways around it. This thread is dedicated to this matter. Let me know if there are any additional bots/methods to disable leaning!

Elite I-don't-lean-down robot BDs
these BDs won't learn down regardless of the parts you're using on them.

• Air Raider
  
• Cross Raptors
  
• Mach Knights
  
• Thorla (Nimbus, Frazia, Summer Thorla)
  
• Helingal

Elite I-don't-lean-down parts.
Just put one of these parts on a bot to stop it leaning down

• Pacifar LG
  
• Vector LG (from Vector Eagle)

It's also interesting to note the first three BDs you mentioned have a connection to transformable (form change, not function) parts. Any other supposed link between transformables and the lean-down effect?

Mecha Jetter Girl doesn't lean much either; one of three redeeming qualities about her (I'm pretty sure you can guess the other two )

This lean has it's own benefit and drawback, it's easier to bomb the ground, and harder to shoot up. I'm surprised there is a topic on this...seems pretty obvious.

Intet wrote:

This lean has it's own benefit and drawback, it's easier to bomb the ground, and harder to shoot up. I'm surprised there is a topic on this...seems pretty obvious.

>Implying you know all the elite non-lean cores and parts.

No really, give me some S-sized elite non-lean LGs.

EDIT - *Embarrasing information detected*

Have a nice day

Intet wrote:

This lean has it's own benefit and drawback, it's easier to bomb the ground, and harder to shoot up. I'm surprised there is a topic on this...seems pretty obvious.

The introductory paragraphs were for the benefit of people who are unfamiliar with the leaning or the fact that there are bots that do not lean (it's in no way "obvious" that there are bots which don't lean forwards.) I was wondering if people knew of additional bots/parts which prohibit leaning, hence this thread (I do not own every bot/part in the game.) Eventually this could probably warrant a brief section in the huge guide thread.

I actually do much better with airs that don't lean in general. Alphastrike builds suffer quite significantly from leaning; Especially if you were planning on using float dash whilst bursting. Is it ever even an outright benefit? I can aim almost directly down on bots that don't lean (I've never had an issue with my air raider not being able to aim far down enough, for example.) Having my cursor piloted for me is a nuisance.

Suguri wrote:

(I'm pretty sure you can guess the other two )

T&A?

knyx wrote:

Intet wrote:

This lean has it's own benefit and drawback, it's easier to bomb the ground, and harder to shoot up. I'm surprised there is a topic on this...seems pretty obvious.

>Implying you know all the elite non-lean cores and parts.

No really, give me some S-sized elite non-lean LGs.

I imply nothing, you merely infer. If you have played air, you would have at least noticed the lean, that's common enough to be obvious. The fact that some legs change this, not so much. I do know that some weapon arms will move the core rather than the arm itself in aiming, so this (as in the leg thing) is new information to me, however it is not that far of stretch to think it is possible. As someone who isn't using alpha builds, I personally haven't had the lean ever come to impact my game play to a serious matter.

I don't know any s-sized parts that prevent lean, perhaps you would care to enlighten me.

Hmm...I wonder.
When you press the spacebar only or when you're just walking, Thoarla doesn't engage her boosters unless you press a directional or press spacebar while running. If that's true for the other three bots that don't lean much, we could generalize about leaning; namely, that bots that don't engage boosters when pressing spacebar won't lean when you press a directional.

You'll also notice that those robots and robots with those parts don't use their booster (as in their boosters don't release/use the exhaust etc) if you just hold spacebar

There are moe

Some people call this Anti-Air Break.

Does Frau Adone's booster count? (You know...that butt cape...=.=) Since it does give out any booster flare or anything even when flying around.

Helingal doesn't have leaning forward whilst flying syndrome either

Perhaps I'm wrong, but a definitive quality between all of these bots is that their boosters (and for percival LG, the built-in boosters) direct exhaust backwards. I think there's some physics here, since it seems that tilt is a function of the thrust becoming horizontal. However, this would mean the limiting factor would also include some BS's which point horizontally backwards.

Booster theory sounds believable, but doesn't make sense due to Cross Raptor. It seems to be an arbitrary property that CS have put on some BDs/parts as they see fit. Added Helingal to the list.

Verafice wrote:

Booster theory sounds believable, but doesn't make sense due to Cross Raptor. It seems to be an arbitrary property that CS have put on some BDs/parts as they see fit. Added Helingal to the list.

maybe its cross raptor arms ?

Agree with Vera. XX Cross Raptor booster angles become variable once you switch to his BD weap.

SurrealSight wrote:

Agree with Vera. XX Cross Raptor booster angles become variable once you switch to his BD weap.

Well that's just because you're aiming with the core, same with saggy and other incorporated internal main weapons. But you can still aim with a mini zook upwards better than a leaning BD.

And some other people call this Horizontal Flight.

knyx wrote:

SurrealSight wrote:

Agree with Vera. XX Cross Raptor booster angles become variable once you switch to his BD weap.

Well that's just because you're aiming with the core, same with saggy and other incorporated internal main weapons. But you can still aim with a mini zook upwards better than a leaning BD.

????? I/we was/were referring to your physics theory of booster thrust being horizontal for forward flight.

SurrealSight wrote:

knyx wrote:

SurrealSight wrote:

Agree with Vera. XX Cross Raptor booster angles become variable once you switch to his BD weap.

Well that's just because you're aiming with the core, same with saggy and other incorporated internal main weapons. But you can still aim with a mini zook upwards better than a leaning BD.

????? I/we was/were referring to your physics theory of booster thrust being horizontal for forward flight.

physics?

when AG was released, physics no longer exsist!

^ No offense, but about as faulty as saying, once squeeze cheese once invented, no one went back to eat regular cheese.


The physics of this really just affects aiming as OP stated. Just one more extra thing to get adjusted to when shifting around bots. Though it does explain some things why; as why as its fairly easy to shoot down from being so high up in the air for many of the bots now in play (seraph, ah chan, etc). This whole phenomenon is what makes up the whole air circling around fat ART possible I think..or at least, much easier.

Not a tremendous deal unless you are totally sorrounded.