Leaning Forwards whilst Flying : The Thread

I think, more importantly, a list of arts/parts that arts can use to prevent this would be great. Considering most arts are fly-based, yet are supposed to target airs...

Suguri wrote:

I think, more importantly, a list of arts/parts that arts can use to prevent this would be great. Considering most arts are fly-based, yet are supposed to target airs...

Hm...maybe Thoarla LG. It may work, I'll test it on my Destructor.
Speaking of which, the LG parts of the above listed bots would probably work on any bot to prevent leaning if you ripped them off their original bot, as long as they have a BS slot.

ARTs built for WLK are probably the best defense against leaning while airborne, though. If you never go airborne, you won't have the problem.

That's the biggest problem
All arts on land are free frags

Baron BS causes lean, the exhaust is downwards and this also happens with a couple of other similar BS I used. Accel BS does not cause it and the exhaust is backwards, in fact it doesn't seem to happen to my VF whenever I put any straight backwards exhaust type BS on it.
This is with boost run by the way.

Alright, I'm digging it deeper. This is related to C21 tough.
Because this rule is also applied to C21.

C21's auto-aim system doesn't affect melee weapons as much as CB.
So each weapon have its own direction.

With the AAB/HF/whatever you call it, it enables you to strike forward instead of below.

For example, you have a melee weapon in your hand.(short sword for this case)
When you're flying, you'll swing it down to the ground and lower your flight height.
But with AAB/HF/whatever(- -"), you'll swing it right in front of you and maintain the height.

Some parts that have this effect are: (in C21 tough, I don't know about CB.)
Mach Knight BD
Air Raider BD&LG
Ghost Raider BD&LG
Albatross BD
Sol Jetter LG
Cross Raptor AM&BS
Aquila BS

etc.

I almost forget about these thing 'cause I'm playing CB too much.

Alba BD is stable?

You sir, are the greatest anti-air that ever existed!

knyx wrote:

Alba BD is stable?

You sir, are the greatest anti-air that ever existed!

I always wondered what those homing beams of bright pink liquid are made of.

think thats bad more annoying is how mouse moves when u move.It goes full derp when tryna boost run. Theres a reason most games are fps theese days so ppl cant fuck up aiming like cosmic break does.

Verafice wrote:

• Thorla (Nimbus, Frazia, Summer Thorla)

Now you see why she's mai waifu.

Verafice wrote:

• Pacifar LG

And why my Crimrose has Pacifar legs.

Verafice wrote:

• Pacifar LG

And why my Crimrose has Pacifar legs. [/quote]

Pacifar lgs are L size...wut?

Anyway back on topic.
This update's Ghost Raider 117 still leans forward when flying though (default lg) even when it's a transformable bot.

Feign wrote:

Verafice wrote:

• Thorla (Nimbus, Frazia, Summer Thorla)

Now you see why she's mai waifu.

Verafice wrote:

• Pacifar LG

And why my Crimrose has Pacifar legs.

Because Fei is hax.

knyx wrote:

Feign wrote:

Verafice wrote:

• Thorla (Nimbus, Frazia, Summer Thorla)

Now you see why she's mai waifu.

Verafice wrote:

• Pacifar LG

And why my Crimrose has Pacifar legs.

Because Fei is hax.

priskern wrote:

Pacifar lgs are L size...wut?

Anyway back on topic.
This update's Ghost Raider 117 still leans forward when flying though (default lg) even when it's a transformable bot.

PFFFFF! SORRY! That's my Izuna, not my Crim. God, that was a noob mistake.

knyx wrote:

Alba BD is stable?

You sir, are the greatest anti-air that ever existed!

Nope. still leans.
I've not encountered any other parts/BDs besides the ones listed that have this behavior.

boytitan2 wrote:

think thats bad more annoying is how mouse moves when u move.It goes full derp when tryna boost run. Theres a reason most games are fps theese days so ppl cant fuck up aiming like cosmic break does.

That's what we're talking about, parts/bots that don't fuck with your aiming like that. I agree with the sentiment though, game would be better if it was as responsive as an FPS. To aim well in CB you need to pay more attention to your robots BD positioning and arms than where your cursor even is on the screen...

priskern wrote:

Anyway back on topic.
This update's Ghost Raider 117 still leans forward when flying though (default lg) even when it's a transformable bot.

Yeah, this made me sad. At least he has a spare BS slot and can use pacifar legs. He's already pretty huge so you're not losing much. Not that 117 is even that much good. Rina told me that Helingal out-performs it. I tried for myself and I generally agree with this. In fact I played around in calc, I'm going to put these red ball slot protectors I keep getting to some use as soon as I get a 3slotted helingal...

It needs to be fixed.Its just ridiculous that a game penalizes u for moveing that breaks the first rule to gameing.I cant even play the game my usual play style. Run gun melee/stab up close in your face =).

I can't stand how mach knight doesn't lean when his bomb weapon drops down to the floor.

It may cause a big blast radius but man it is pretty hard to aim.

Carpet bombing is surprisingly difficult...lol

On the topic of mach knight, yeah his bombs are not really effective. Beam SB Pitcher is the best weapon to bomb with right now. Leaning doesn't really have much to do with this though.

Verafice wrote:

On the topic of mach knight, yeah his bombs are not really effective. Beam SB Pitcher is the best weapon to bomb with right now. Leaning doesn't really have much to do with this though.

really?
I thought with lean it causes it to hit right at the floor in front of you instead of like shooting forward and then hitting the ground which is what mach knight does. So when i fire i end up shooting over the head of the thing i am aiming at.

Intet wrote:

Carpet bombing is surprisingly difficult...lol

You have to be able to judge how far off the ground in terms of range you are. Dropping bombs from too high up simply leads to wasted ammo as the bombs will disappear before they hit anything to start their detonation chain.

Updated OP, added Vector Eagle legs. Meant to do this yesterday, but I forgot.

The irony was that yesterday, I swapped Paci LGs off my Pacifar from Seraph. It felt like something was missing, but then it became a lot easier to power laser people from high up; I'm guessing though, it's much like the bombing idea. Leaning is good for that.

Oh yeah that bit on XX cross raptor makes it kinda fun. Theoretically you can leave default left click as its main BD, and fire a weap that would benefit from the lean in the air. Shift click, swap to a regular weapon, and float dash MB away without the lean ~~

Benefits of both

A small thing worth mentioning, but even if your bot leans, you can get around it with fancy footwork. It only starts to lean when you're in full speed stance, so things like gaining altitude while strafing, releasing boost while strafing, and hopping will all straighten you up. If I'm in an Air-to-Air fight and it starts to get tense, you won't see me flying straight... more of a digression I admit, but still something to keep in mind.

Interesting....will try. Though releasing boost while strafing doesn't seem to be a good idea for the altitude reasons (but will help for aiming more upwards for sure).

Also, checked out the XX raptor theory. No dice. The body auto straightens when firing alternative weapons. Kinda funny lookin though.

FenixStryk wrote:

A small thing worth mentioning, but even if your bot leans, you can get around it with fancy footwork. It only starts to lean when you're in full speed stance, so things like gaining altitude while strafing, releasing boost while strafing, and hopping will all straighten you up. If I'm in an Air-to-Air fight and it starts to get tense, you won't see me flying straight... more of a digression I admit, but still something to keep in mind.

I've tested this outside of actual combat, and while it works, the mobility loss is pretty substantial. Your horizontal speed is capped at about half of normal. Also, the vertical motion is neither sudden enough or large enough to produce a similar effect to hopping.

I find it sad that there are no UC parts capable of straight flight, and the UC cores capable of it are rather...iffy. Straight flight is a large advantage in air-to-air combat (not that CB wants to see that going on at all, judging by the weapons airs are limited to).

Klinkin wrote:

I've tested this outside of actual combat, and while it works, the mobility loss is pretty substantial. Your horizontal speed is capped at about half of normal. Also, the vertical motion is neither sudden enough or large enough to produce a similar effect to hopping.

Aye, but Quick Jump helps considerably for the tactic. Granted, if you whiff it and they land a hit on you, you are at a disadvantage due to altitude unless your Air is a thoroughbred Air Hopper and can perform on the ground... but that's no problem for me; all of my Airs are built to hop.