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PostSubject: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyThu Jul 14, 2011 2:13 pm

Just the other day I hit the jackpot in Rose Gara and got rewardd with one beautiful water fairy - but now I really don't know what to do with her.

I didn't tune her so far but I guess as a LND type and with her carts/basic stats the most important stuff will be WLK/TEC?

Right now I just try to survive with her and level her up. My carts atm are: Raise capa. x3, Aqua Walk and of course the EIW cart she can have before Lv. 6. Her weapons atm are a buckler (AM2 switches places with Water Pot when mode changing) and an Air Slasher (AM1 fast combo + mobility stats = golden <3) but I also tried her with a Hyper Spinner (combo is ok, but the force didn't convince me), a SB Pitcher (I just like the animation Razz ), Oar Edge (...) and a Photon Saber (spear animation - guess CS didn't enjoy PSO ;A;) and a Viper Shield (I'd prefer that one instead of the buckler anyway, but it eats the tiny Ion's tiny capa to much). The WB is nothing special I equip most of the LND types with a dual slayer or dual lance bit.

A lot of ppl say she ain't worth being gara trolled but I really like her design and battle quotes and her running in water could be an advantage on certain maps (Winterbase for example).

So what do you think one should do with Ion?

Oh and btw: what's her BD@'s dmg type? I've heard it's blast but it looks like beam to me.

Thanks in advance ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyThu Jul 14, 2011 2:39 pm

Water Bazooka is pure shell, which means you get that delicious 21x2 force on anyone.

I vowed I wouldn't give builds for her unless I got her, only thing I'll say is you probably don't need anything for weapons and are best off with dual buckler. Also, she should definitely have short boost + quick land.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyThu Jul 14, 2011 7:49 pm

She hops in water. Dominate any water-main map by being where 75% of other bots can't easily go.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyThu Jul 14, 2011 8:16 pm

Suguri wrote:
Water Bazooka is pure shell, which means you get that delicious 21x2 force on anyone.

I vowed I wouldn't give builds for her unless I got her, only thing I'll say is you probably don't need anything for weapons and are best off with dual buckler. Also, she should definitely have short boost + quick land.

that 's why it's hurt as hell even i got blast guard ...
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 11:16 am

Ion is so nice and cute... what to do? make a cute sking and troll with her... hahahaha

for builds:
she can be used as mele bot, range bot or semi mele+range

for mele, get the sword u want, add as much wlk and str u can... Done!!

for range, get high tec + wlk and Done!

for semi mele+range, hard, get good wlk, mele and tec... (its a all purposes build)

no matter what game style u use, get Qucik Bosst!!!! she will need it. Everybody likes to use her in the range mode (high tech) I tried the semi but u will not get enought str, tec or wlk to do real good damage... something importatn is that if u chose the mele bot, u need high wlk!

weapons.... mmm.... no need for another gun, just use the core weapon, but if u go in alpha mode handy zokas and beam guns are always welcome.... for mele, air slash is always good, but Im using one that is cheaper and have long combo (dont remember the name, but is a sword that has a hole in the center, and one of the combo hit is a back slash, so she does a nice dash!!!)
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 11:18 am

DarkChuky wrote:

she can be used as mele bot

You can use Destructor as a melee bot as well.

Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

DarkChuky wrote:

no matter what game style u use, get Qucik Bosst!!!! she will need it. Everybody likes to use her in the range mode (high tech) I tried the semi but u will not get enought str, tec or wlk to do real good damage... something importatn is that if u chose the mele bot, u need high wlk!

I don't know what I'm reading anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 1:56 pm

reVelske wrote:
DarkChuky wrote:

she can be used as mele bot

You can use Destructor as a melee bot as well.

Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

DarkChuky wrote:

no matter what game style u use, get Qucik Bosst!!!! she will need it. Everybody likes to use her in the range mode (high tech) I tried the semi but u will not get enought str, tec or wlk to do real good damage... something importatn is that if u chose the mele bot, u need high wlk!

I don't know what I'm reading anymore.

He lives in south america or something so don't expect anything much better than boytitan ._.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 2:53 pm

Hopper. Dual Bucklers, Short Boost + Quick Jump/Land.

Quick Boost is a luxury when you're a hopper due to the fact that a single Short Boost drains little from the gauge. Quick Jump should let you hop indefinitely, but if not, get Quick Boost. Quick Boost is also useful for recharging your gauge quickly if you have to fly, or recharging for quick hopping and evasion.

Make sure you charge your Ion in a liquid environment before fighting. The buff really makes Ion hurt people that much more. Note that a Lava environment will charge Ion's buff as well as Water.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 3:21 pm

FireKiller87 wrote:
Hopper. Dual Bucklers, Short Boost + Quick Jump/Land.

Quick Boost is a luxury when you're a hopper due to the fact that a single Short Boost drains little from the gauge. Quick Jump should let you hop indefinitely, but if not, get Quick Boost. Quick Boost is also useful for recharging your gauge quickly if you have to fly, or recharging for quick hopping and evasion.

Make sure you charge your Ion in a liquid environment before fighting. The buff really makes Ion hurt people that much more. Note that a Lava environment will charge Ion's buff as well as Water.

No,quick boost is a very very important luxury,more important that quick jump.

It lets you hop indefinitely,and reduces the harms nicoles cause
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 3:29 pm

Nisa wrote:

No,quick boost is a very very important luxury,more important that quick jump.
I very, very heavily disagree with that.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 4:33 pm

Suguri wrote:
Nisa wrote:

No,quick boost is a very very important luxury,more important that quick jump.
I very, very heavily disagree with that.


:I

Mmph

whatever suguri says then,I really liked quick boost though
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 5:25 pm

If it works for you, who cares? Both have their merits. Quick jump has more general functionality. I would rather take it on a boost run build though.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 6:12 pm

Intet wrote:
If it works for you, who cares? Both have their merits. Quick jump has more general functionality. I would rather take it on a boost run build though.

I think you mean Quick Boost, as it affects three of the four mobility carts, the exception being Sway.
Quick Jump would have no effect on Boost Run, only Float Dash and Short Boost.

Also, Nicole's ability to inflict Waste Booster only becomes dangerous as your dependence on airborne actions increases. Against a hopper, Nicole's threat(excluding the damage from Soul Rod) is negligible as one Short Boost consumes relatively little gauge, as compared to normal flight, Boost Run, or Float Dash.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 6:17 pm

FireKiller87 wrote:
Intet wrote:
If it works for you, who cares? Both have their merits. Quick jump has more general functionality. I would rather take it on a boost run build though.

I think you mean Quick Boost, as it affects three of the four mobility carts, the exception being Sway.
Quick Jump would have no effect on Boost Run, only Float Dash and Short Boost.

Also, Nicole's ability to inflict Waste Booster only becomes dangerous as your dependence on airborne actions increases. Against a hopper, Nicole's threat(excluding the damage from Soul Rod) is negligible as one Short Boost consumes relatively little gauge, as compared to normal flight, Boost Run, or Float Dash.
You'll actually run out of boost mid-hop even on a full gauge if nicole thwacks you, whereas an air can get hit mid-flight, have the debuff wear off, and still probably have at least 1~2 seconds of boost to work witth.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 6:36 pm

Suguri wrote:
FireKiller87 wrote:
Intet wrote:
If it works for you, who cares? Both have their merits. Quick jump has more general functionality. I would rather take it on a boost run build though.

I think you mean Quick Boost, as it affects three of the four mobility carts, the exception being Sway.
Quick Jump would have no effect on Boost Run, only Float Dash and Short Boost.

Also, Nicole's ability to inflict Waste Booster only becomes dangerous as your dependence on airborne actions increases. Against a hopper, Nicole's threat(excluding the damage from Soul Rod) is negligible as one Short Boost consumes relatively little gauge, as compared to normal flight, Boost Run, or Float Dash.
You'll actually run out of boost mid-hop even on a full gauge if nicole thwacks you, whereas an air can get hit mid-flight, have the debuff wear off, and still probably have at least 1~2 seconds of boost to work witth.

Hm. I've not noticed that, but I guess thats to be expected as I haven't worked with Short Boost yet.
Even so, normal running can suffice for movement and evasion. It won't give the evasive ability of Short Boost, I know, but it's better than nothing.

...Hm. I just thought that Nicole could be a hard counter to any bot who combines Boost Run and either Float Dash or Short Boost, as that bot will be reliant on it's boost gauge for any type of movement other than walking.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 6:51 pm

You can also build her around that buffing AM which is pure gold against annoying status like slow, paralyze and bad booster.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyFri Jul 15, 2011 6:57 pm

Nisa wrote:
reVelske wrote:
DarkChuky wrote:

she can be used as mele bot

You can use Destructor as a melee bot as well.

Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

DarkChuky wrote:

no matter what game style u use, get Qucik Bosst!!!! she will need it. Everybody likes to use her in the range mode (high tech) I tried the semi but u will not get enought str, tec or wlk to do real good damage... something importatn is that if u chose the mele bot, u need high wlk!

I don't know what I'm reading anymore.

He lives in south america or something so don't expect anything much better than boytitan ._.

what the hell?! Costa Rica in south america?! oh my god.... i though all my life that i was living in central america....
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptySat Jul 16, 2011 2:31 am

shadow_nekros wrote:
Nisa wrote:
reVelske wrote:


You can use Destructor as a melee bot as well.

Doesn't mean it's a good idea.



I don't know what I'm reading anymore.

He lives in south america or something so don't expect anything much better than boytitan ._.

what the hell?! Costa Rica in south america?! oh my god.... i though all my life that i was living in central america....

I don't know my america well ._.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptySat Jul 16, 2011 9:21 pm

Nisa wrote:
shadow_nekros wrote:
Nisa wrote:


He lives in south america or something so don't expect anything much better than boytitan ._.

what the hell?! Costa Rica in south america?! oh my god.... i though all my life that i was living in central america....

I don't know my america well ._.

xD dosnt matter
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptySat Jul 16, 2011 9:45 pm

Only one of the above four posts on this page are on-topic. Rerail before I have to start issuing warnings.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptySun Jul 17, 2011 10:21 am

Turkeysaur wrote:
You can also build her around that buffing AM which is pure gold against annoying status like slow, paralyze and bad booster.

Too bad she can't self-buff with purify.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyMon Jul 18, 2011 10:59 am

This is exactly the thread I was looking for after getting Ion on my first ever gara roll Very Happy I've only been playing about a week so I'm still not so sure what's what but getting her has made this game so rediculously fun that I thought I better put some effort into her. Couple of questions, 1. when you say hop do you mean spamming short jump evades or using boost jumps and 2. is it worth tuning her TGH at all because I tend to use her to rush the fat arts and she gets stunned rather easily by the odd shot from behind.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyMon Jul 18, 2011 12:45 pm

hopping is done with shortboosting

btw, hopping wont fit your playstyle of ion according to your description of what you do
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyMon Jul 18, 2011 1:03 pm

Aurum_Sol wrote:
hopping is done with shortboosting

btw, hopping wont fit your playstyle of ion according to your description of what you do

Oh, thanks for that glad I found that out before I spec'd her for that then. Would it be better to use boost run instead then to limit their ability to track me or should I just use 2x internal, sword guard, blast guard and blow the rest on cap cartridges to give me more room for WLK and TEC tuning?
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations on Ion?   Recommendations on Ion? EmptyMon Jul 18, 2011 7:36 pm

Sorry for the late reply (I'm to busy for this x,x)

I read all the suggestions and for now I guess I'll rlly go for an all-purpose-build.

BTW: this is just my semi-nubbish opinion, ut I think any build centered arround her BD@ or AM2 will be hard to play b/c of the limited ammo those weapons come with :/

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