Seraph

Suguri wrote:

Should I ignore the shotguns, too?

DO WANT

I was trolling Berz and forgot all about it.

FireKiller87 wrote:

susanoo wrote:

i still cant stomach having so.... halfhearted fly in a seraph. if you have 2 wing upgrade. why not go for 40 tec and make 3 suicide seraphs? or wing spam low cost mini seraphs? a 900 cost mini seraph with dbmg + x wings can easily rack 1-1.5k damages before they dies and only costs 900~ D:

else if you aren't going for suicide build why not go for 38+ fly and lesser tec?

although having 2x internal upgrade + stun regain + beam machinegun already suggest that you are suicidal D:

oh and. for bots that only have 1-2 weapons with low force, force tune > tec

Because TEC affects all weapons, and don't forget Minizooka with 23 Force. Or Plasma with 18.
And my current Seraph has 16 TEC, 27 FLY with minimal tuning, and only costs slightly more than 900(955, I forget, somewhere in mid-high 900s), and it isn't suicidal.

having only 27 fly only means that unless you're a suicidal build that meant to wreck with your wings and nothing else (and in this case you wouldnt even need 27 fly), you're a free frag. true story D:

and his build is using beam machinegun. not plasma.

my seraph with 24 tec and great force tooned mini zooka it has 32 base damage per shot (it deals 45-50 damage to air in front shot. and 50-60 damage as back shots). and to achieve the same base damage with a non force tuned mini zooka you need 34 tec. now tell me which is cheaper and easier, tuning 34 tec or tuning 24 tec + great forces in both weapons?


@ sir aria : can you post your seraph's current build detail?

one LPG and viper is not enough bullet to use when you ve that big cost
i bet that seraph rush even can do better with only 875 cost

susanoo wrote:

FireKiller87 wrote:

susanoo wrote:

i still cant stomach having so.... halfhearted fly in a seraph. if you have 2 wing upgrade. why not go for 40 tec and make 3 suicide seraphs? or wing spam low cost mini seraphs? a 900 cost mini seraph with dbmg + x wings can easily rack 1-1.5k damages before they dies and only costs 900~ D:

else if you aren't going for suicide build why not go for 38+ fly and lesser tec?

although having 2x internal upgrade + stun regain + beam machinegun already suggest that you are suicidal D:

oh and. for bots that only have 1-2 weapons with low force, force tune > tec

Because TEC affects all weapons, and don't forget Minizooka with 23 Force. Or Plasma with 18.
And my current Seraph has 16 TEC, 27 FLY with minimal tuning, and only costs slightly more than 900(955, I forget, somewhere in mid-high 900s), and it isn't suicidal.

having only 27 fly only means that unless you're a suicidal build that meant to wreck with your wings and nothing else (and in this case you wouldnt even need 27 fly), you're a free frag. true story D:

and his build is using beam machinegun. not plasma.

my seraph with 24 tec and great force tooned mini zooka it has 32 base damage per shot (it deals 45-50 damage to air in front shot. and 50-60 damage as back shots). and to achieve the same base damage with a non force tuned mini zooka you need 34 tec. now tell me which is cheaper and easier, tuning 34 tec or tuning 24 tec + great forces in both weapons?


@ sir aria : can you post your seraph's current build detail?

I understand Aria's not using PG or LPG. It was a simple example.
Also, you forget to note "with minimal tuning", and not to mention that I'm only a free kill for players who have either imba bots or bots that are fully tuned to maximize potential. Against most players, I'm not that easy to kill.

I actually would rather tune the Great Force, but I tend to rely on stats, parts, and tactical more than tuning in combat, especially since I tend to lack tuning mats and I don't have access to higher-grade tuning assists.
Not to mention that if a tune fails 1)I just wasted a whole shitload of mats, 2)have to get a new 1s minizooka, or have to rely on the last slot should it be 2s, and 3)I get to cry over a failed 70% tune.
However keep in mind that a Force tune would only affect the tuned weapon, while TEC's effect is across the board for all ranged weapons. I would still have that as a priority.

yes, which is why i (and some other people here) suggested him to do a suicide seraph that requires little to no tune at all that can net him a good score againts those "imba bots and fully tuned bots to maximize potentials".

although he already has his seraph tuned and built. so i thought it'd be better if he posted what he already done to his seraph here and see what we can add.

and your preference still isnt making sense to me since no matter how you see it tuning the forces is a lot cheaper and easier than tuning tec (which in this case you're doing it into a slotted parts of your bots that might not be easily acquired anymore compared to the easily mini zook and guns :<). one of the very few scenarios where tec is to be prioritized over force is when you're an alpha build with.... for example 5 main weapons.

and if you;re going for the mainstream air bot builds, you definitely need to have your 38+ fly. i'd prioritize it even though i have to sacrifice my damages :<

susanoo wrote:

@ sir aria : can you post your seraph's current build detail?

Quote :

【Robot Name】
Seraph Crimrose

【Parts】
BD： Seraph Crimrose BDγ
　WB： Propeller Bit
　LG： Seraph Crimrose LG [Great Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha]
　HD： Seraph Crimrose HD
　　HDAC： Eve Hair Ornament
　　FCAC： Monocle [Great Tech Alpha]
　BS： Seraph Crimrose BS2
　AM： Crimrose AM [High Boost Alpha] [High Boost Alpha] [High Boost Alpha]
　　WP： Plasma Gun
　AM： Crimrose AM [Great Boost Beta]
　　WP： Mini Bazooka [High Acrobat]

【Config Check】
COST： OK
BS： OK
LG： OK

【Stats】
TYPE： 空
SIZE： S
COST： 1245
CAPA： 1260
HP： 419
STR： 5
TEC： 27
WLK： 1
FLY： 33
TGH： 8

LEVEL： 9

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×7
Enhance internal weapon×2

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×4
Midoro Cosmos×3
Yoguru Cosmos×1
Red Chip×65
Yellow Chip×45
Rainbow Chip×11
Stabilizer×76
Turbo Charger×73
Scope Lens×22
Drum Magazine×47
Guide Circuit×29

Accurate and Current

PS: didn't used the last Level yet and kind of hesitating whether Plasma Gun will be removed (Beam Rifle?) or not.

Sir aria eheheh
I'd replace plasma gun with lpg

Like Nihil said, if you're going to take the internals, you should definitely say screw it to fly and pump your tec and tgh. Example build I just stole from JP commu:

xzpwnz wrote:

Sir aria eheheh

I R sad :<

RT po please Sir XZ? :<

Aria wrote:

xzpwnz wrote:

Sir aria eheheh

I R sad :<

RT po please Sir XZ? :<

If you let me leech off of boss quests like suguu does

xzpwnz wrote:

Aria wrote:

xzpwnz wrote:

Sir aria eheheh

I R sad :<

RT po please Sir XZ? :<

If you let me leech off of boss quests like suguu does

I can only play like 5pm GMT+8 onwards ("limited" resources) and can only play Berz 2* since I'm only a UC player.

with so little capa left it's hard to make adjustment XD

if you can afford more tuning (read : slot protectors and harmonics) i'd say you should get a cart reset and do something like this

Quote :

【ロボ名】
Seraph Crimrose

【パーツ構成】
BD： Seraph Crimrose BDgamma
　WB： Propeller Bit
　LG： Seraph Crimrose LG [Great Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] [Ranger]
　HD： Seraph Crimrose HD
　　HDAC： Kinder Hat
　　FCAC： Monocle [Great Tech Alpha]
　BS： Seraph Crimrose BS2
　AM： Crimrose AM [High Boost Alpha] [High Boost Alpha] [High Boost Alpha]
　　WP： Limited Plasma Gun [Force] [High Supply]
　AM： Crimrose AM [Great Boost Beta] [High Eagle] [Great Boost]
　　WP： Mini Bazooka [High Acrobat]

【構成チェック】
COST： OK
BS： OK
LG： OK

【ステータス】
TYPE： 空
SIZE： S
COST： 1260
CAPA： 1260
HP： 449
STR： 4
TEC： 28
WLK： 2
FLY： 38
TGH： 8

LEVEL： 10

【カートリッジ】
Capacity +70×7
Stun Regain
Float Dash
Quick Boost

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×4
Midoro Cosmos×5
Yoguru Cosmos×2
Ones Cosmos×1
Twode Cosmos×1
Red Chip×65
Yellow Chip×45
Rainbow Chip×11
Stabilizer×97
Turbo Charger×127
Strike Metal×4
Scope Lens×22
Rapid Crystal×15
Drum Magazine×71
Guide Circuit×29
Prism Glass×11
Screw Bolts×55
Steel Wheel×33
Shining Feather×10

or if you still want to keep your 2 wings upgrade, like suguri said. say bye to fly and pump tec and tgh as much as you can and go rambo with a single weapon in hand and rack score like mad.

if you still want to keep your build and playing mainstream style. then i suggest swap your plasma for lpg instead and pump as much fly as you can closer to 38

Bad tunes
Such a waste of mats
You should also never give a weapon tunes for your stats

xzpwnz wrote:

Bad tunes
Such a waste of mats
You should also never give a weapon tunes for your stats

Mine?

Both

xzpwnz wrote:

Both

I R SAD :<

if you look at it properly, im following tunes he already did and tried to improvise on it. :<

since i doubt he'll want to redo the tunes from scratchz.

Doesn't matter, as long as your weapon is easily reobtainable, you can tune normal tunes on weapons. It's why people put fodder weapons like Handguns and Handy Magnums with tunes on.

Specialty tunes are bad though, I suggest taking High Eagle and High Acrobat off for High Boost Beta tunes to maintain 38 FLY.

if you're interested here's how i tune my seraph. she still needs some leftover tunes before she's finsihed though

it'd be better if you rebuild your seraph from scratch but that's gonna be a pain in the ass if you dont have much rt and mats. so it's up to you.

Quote :

【ロボ名】
Clowndish Calendula

【パーツ構成】
BD： Seraph Crimrose BDgamma
　WB： Slayer Bit
　LG： Seraph Crimrose LG [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [Great Tech Alpha]
　HD： Seraph Crimrose HD
　　HDAC： Hana Kanzashi [Acrobat]
　　FCAC： Ace of Hearts Earrings [High Tech Alpha]
　BS： Seraph Crimrose BS2
　AM： Cross Raptor AM [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [Great Tech]
　　WP： Mini Bazooka [Great Force Beta]
　AM： Cross Raptor AM [High Boost Beta] [Great Tech Alpha] [High Tech]
　　WP： Auto Beam Rifle [Force] [Great Rapid Beta]

【構成チェック】
COST： OK
BS： OK
LG： OK

【ステータス】
TYPE： 空
SIZE： S
COST： 1255
CAPA： 1265
HP： 429
STR： 1
TEC： 31
WLK： 1
FLY： 38
TGH： 8

LEVEL： 10

【カートリッジ】
Capacity +70×7
Stun Regain
Float Dash
Quick Boost
Air Loop

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×7
Midoro Cosmos×4
Ones Cosmos×1
Threede Cosmos×2
Red Chip×75
Blue Chip×20
Yellow Chip×25
Green Chip×20
Rainbow Chip×7
Stabilizer×98
Turbo Charger×46
Strike Metal×13
Scope Lens×37
Rapid Crystal×17
Drum Magazine×15
Guide Circuit×55
Heat Ash×15
Acid Gel×15

LPG build should have different tunes though

oh yeah, i'm too lazy to change it here but put a lower percentage tunes in the first slot. because tune chances decreases by 10% for each successful tunes in the same parts. you don't want to end up with 35% base chance :<

I got time to check things anyway.

I'll try it.

I don't like that acrobat tune, but the rest of the build works, so I guess that's not a big deal. That's pretty much exactly how you want a seraph to look, though I would've done High Shooter on the ABR personally.

Suguri wrote:

I don't like that acrobat tune, but the rest of the build works, so I guess that's not a big deal. That's pretty much exactly how you want a seraph to look, though I would've done High Shooter on the ABR personally.

Great Rapid Beta?

Aria wrote:

Suguri wrote:

I don't like that acrobat tune, but the rest of the build works, so I guess that's not a big deal. That's pretty much exactly how you want a seraph to look, though I would've done High Shooter on the ABR personally.

Great Rapid Beta?

Great rapid beta on abr
Wat

I think more people use GR beta on ABRs than High Shooter because of larger speed boost and 25 less cost, but I don't like denting the ammo supply, and the extra range is great too.

xzpwnz wrote:

Aria wrote:

Suguri wrote:

I don't like that acrobat tune, but the rest of the build works, so I guess that's not a big deal. That's pretty much exactly how you want a seraph to look, though I would've done High Shooter on the ABR personally.

Great Rapid Beta?

Great rapid beta on abr
Wat

Since He said about the acrobat tune on Mini Zook, I thought he was pointing at my Mini Zook :s