Need help with a couple new bots

I recently bought Destructor Girl and Thoarla Nimbus, but I'm stymied as to builds that are extremely effective for each of them.
I made a build for both bots, using the weapons and stuff that I have now/hope to have in the near future, and using as little tuning as possible due to my average luck with the cosmos pot.
Any suggestions are welcomed

Destructor Girl build:
【Robot Name】
Destructor Girl

【Parts】
BD： Destructor Girl BD
　WB： Slayer Bit
　LG： Destructor Girl LG [Speeder]
　HD： Destructor Girl HD [High Boost Beta]
　　HDAC： Sunflower
　　FCAC： Intelli Blue
　BS： Destructor Girl BS [Speeder] [Speeder]
　AM： Destructor Girl AM [High Tech Alpha]
　　WP： Beam Gun [Rapid]
　AM： Destructor Girl AM [High Tech Alpha]
　　WP： Handy Bazooka

【Config Check】
COST： OK
BS： OK
LG： OK

【Stats】
TYPE： 砲
SIZE： S
COST： 1130
CAPA： 1130
HP： 375
STR： 7
TEC： 28
WLK： 10
FLY： 11
TGH： 23

LEVEL： 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×5
Enhance internal weapon×4
Broad Radar

【必要素材】
Midoro Cosmos×3
Engine Shaft×63
Turbo Charger×68
Rainbow Chip×21
Fudara Cosmos×3
Yellow Chip×5
Red Chip×25
Drum Magazine×3
Stabilizer×18
Guide Circuit×14
Ones Cosmos×1
Rapid Crystal×5

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Thoarla Nimbus Build:
Note: I'm using either a Stardust Cannon or an Omega Blaster on Thoarla. I'm not particularly sure which one is better, so any input would be appreciated.

【Robot Name】
Thoarla Nimbus

【Parts】
BD： Thoarla BD
　WB： Propeller Bit
　LG： Thoarla LG [High Boost Beta]
　　BS： Tengu BS [High Boost Beta]
　HD： Thoarla HD
　　HDAC： White Hair Scarf
　　FCAC： Ace of Hearts Earrings
　AM： Thoarla AM [Great Tech Alpha]
　　WP： Stardust Cannon [High Range Alpha]
　AM： Thoarla AM [High Tech Alpha]
　　WP： Blaster

【Config Check】
COST： OK
BS： OK
LG： OK

【Stats】
TYPE： 空
SIZE： L
COST： 1305
CAPA： 1305
HP： 480
STR： 8
TEC： 28
WLK： 1
FLY： 21
TGH： 15

LEVEL： 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×5
Enhance internal weapon
Sword Guard
Quick Boost
Quick Land
Broad Radar

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×3
Turbo Charger×10
Yellow Chip×10
Red Chip×40
Drum Magazine×6
Midoro Cosmos×1
Stabilizer×26
Guide Circuit×18
Scope Lens×16
Twode Cosmos×1
Black Chip×10

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The jupitizer on nimbus will probably never hit anyone so I wouldn't recommend getting the int cart.
sword guard on an air unit seems pointless too. if you got no better place to use those costs
then you should invest it in pumping it into tune ups for +fly

I'll get back to you on this, doing boss runs atm andtyping this while I wait at outpost. I use both bots fairly extensively though.

1.DG

- change your beam gun to buckler
- don't use waste tune like speeder
- your bot lacks both of mobility and damage
- broad radar is not that useful with DG

2.Throala nimbus

- She 's not an good L AIR, i only like her LG that can add one more BS
- If you re at 21 FLY you ll be easier to killed than an hopping frog lander
- use SDC and a viper shield instead of blaster
- tune SDC speed, not range
- don't add sword guard and broad radar
- her internal is useless when her core never hit anyone at all
- an AIR bott with quick land ? you must be joking ...


BTW you don't need to lvl them to 10 because some cart re not needed and add more ll make your cost bigger and less spare cost to tune

Mist wrote:

The jupitizer on nimbus will probably never hit anyone so I wouldn't recommend getting the int cart.
sword guard on an air unit seems pointless too. if you got no better place to use those costs
then you should invest it in pumping it into tune ups for +fly

I've hit people with the Jupitizer.
I'm planning on maxing out both bots, and Thoarla is sorely lacking in carts, which explains the Sword Guard and Quick Land and stuff.

EDIT: I'm also not planning on doing a whole lot of tuning especially since I don't have constant access to slot protectors or higher level harmonics.

Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Keep em coming

if you want 4 infernal and handy baz try this

【Robot Name】
Destructor Girl

【Parts】
BD： Destructor Girl BD
　WB： Missile Bit(default)
　LG： Destructor Girl LG [High Tech Alpha] [High Boost Alpha] [High Tech Alpha]
　HD： Destructor Girl HD [High Boost Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha]
　　HDAC： Cute Beret [High Tech Alpha]
　　FCAC： Ace of Hearts Earrings [High Tech Alpha]
　BS： Destructor Girl BS [Boost] [High Boost Alpha] [High Boost Alpha]
　AM： Destructor Girl AM [Boost] [High Boost Alpha] [High Boost Alpha]
　　WP： Handy Bazooka
　AM： Destructor Girl AM [Boost] [High Boost Alpha] [High Boost Alpha]
　　WP： Buckler [Tech]

【Config Check】
COST： OK
BS： OK
LG： OK

【Stats】
TYPE： 砲
SIZE： S
COST： 1200
CAPA： 1200
HP： 386
STR： 4
TEC： 37
WLK： 1
FLY： 26
TGH： 22

LEVEL： 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×6
Enhance internal weapon×4

【必要素材】
Hidora Cosmos×4
Fudara Cosmos×14
Red Chip×60
Yellow Chip×80
Stabilizer×59
Turbo Charger×87
Drum Magazine×56
Guide Circuit×42

Is there a reason to tune fly over wlk or would they both be equally well?

knyx wrote:

Is there a reason to tune fly over wlk or would they both be equally well?

I planned my DG to have about equal FLY and WLK. If given the choice, I'd rather have WLK, tbh, since I already have a Lily Rain with emphasis on FLY.

Okay, I was going to just edit my first post, but this thread got more attention within that timeframe than I was expecting, so I guess I'll just make a new one :V

For DG, tune wlk and tec. 39~40 tec and >20 wlk should be good. For carts, definitely take all six capacity carts, her capacity is low. For the last four, you have several options.

x4 internal is one of the more popular choices. Taking all four gives quite the buff to the missiles.

x2~3 internal with boost run, short boost, or both. Your internal will be regular destructor tier, but you'll actually have some mobility.

Short Boost, Quick Land, Boost Run, Blast Guard. Christmas version only.

Weapons are typically a shield with one other weapon (Railgun, Structure Breaker, Blast Bazooka, Compact Launcher, Micro Zook, Handy Zook, etc).

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Thoarla's extremely versatile in playstyle due to universally above-average stats and a wide variety of carts, including boost run and hopper carts. The most conventional build is "stardust + viper, 38 fly, rest in tec, x5 capacity and maybe quick boost". You can also do stardust hoppers, various run-and-gun builds (Thoarla boost run lasts for 20 seconds. She can run for ~1 min 40 sec with Shaden BS, too), and other builds. Adone LG works great on her thanks to short boost, boost run, and very high core tec. But if you're looking for a conventional build, Stardust + Viper and standard air tuning is the way to go.

As mentioned, x5 capacity - and maybe quick boost - is the best way to go cartwise. Her capacity's fairly low.

If you don't have or don't want to use Stardust on her, Limited Plasma Gun, ABR/ABRM, and Blitz Blaster are fine too.

Suguri wrote:

Okay, I was going to just edit my first post, but this thread got more attention within that timeframe than I was expecting, so I guess I'll just make a new one :V

For DG, tune wlk and tec. 39~40 tec and >20 wlk should be good. For carts, definitely take all six capacity carts, her capacity is low. For the last four, you have several options.

x4 internal is one of the more popular choices. Taking all four gives quite the buff to the missiles.

x2~3 internal with boost run, short boost, or both. Your internal will be regular destructor tier, but you'll actually have some mobility.

Short Boost, Quick Land, Boost Run, Blast Guard. Christmas version only.

Weapons are typically a shield with one other weapon (Railgun, Structure Breaker, Blast Bazooka, Compact Launcher, Micro Zook, Handy Zook, etc).

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Thoarla's extremely versatile in playstyle due to universally above-average stats and a wide variety of carts, including boost run and hopper carts. The most conventional build is "stardust + viper, 38 fly, rest in tec, x5 capacity and maybe quick boost". You can also do stardust hoppers, various run-and-gun builds (Thoarla boost run lasts for 20 seconds. She can run for ~1 min 40 sec with Shaden BS, too), and other builds. Adone LG works great on her thanks to short boost, boost run, and very high core tec. But if you're looking for a conventional build, Stardust + Viper and standard air tuning is the way to go.

As mentioned, x5 capacity - and maybe quick boost - is the best way to go cartwise. Her capacity's fairly low.

If you don't have or don't want to use Stardust on her, Limited Plasma Gun, ABR/ABRM, and Blitz Blaster are fine too.

Hmm...
For DG, I'm not overly worried about her mobility as I usually try not to get so close to my target that I'll have to continually dodge. So I'm thinking about 6x Cost, 4x Internal, or 6x Cost, 3x Internal and Broad Radar, especially since I've already taken two of her Internals at level 4 and I tend to use DG's AAmissiles as primary weapons.
Is Broad Radar a good cart on DG, or should I just take 4x Internal?
And about the shield, should I go with a Buckler or Viper Shield?

For Thoarla, if I go with the conventional build, I only see 6 carts there. I would like to take her to lv10, so what should I do?
Second, I can't really acquire an Adone LG(I get one Gara roll, and I'm not willing to take that chance). Are there any decent substitutes?
Finally, what's the big advantage of Stardust Cannon? I hear about it a lot and I'm leaning towards taking it for Thoarla, but I don't get what else it provides besides being one of the only good L AIR weps.
And if I can't acquire an SDC in a reasonable amount of quest farming, is an Omega Blaster 2s a viable substitute?

Thanks for all the advice.

Don't mind me, also looking for some Thoarla advice.

I'm quite interested in the weekly gara's Thoarla; anyone know how good the AM (AM3;lightning gun) on her is? To be specific, with a standard air build, would the AM perform better than SDC(the current weapon of choice)?

Waah wrote:

Don't mind me, also looking for some Thoarla advice.

I'm quite interested in the weekly gara's Thoarla; anyone know how good the AM (AM3;lightning gun) on her is? To be specific, with a standard air build, would the AM perform better than SDC(the current weapon of choice)?

I hear Thoarla AM3 is good, but I haven't had the luck to try it out. Remember that it doesn't let you equip a handheld weapon, so it's gonna be a primary weapon.

Thoarla AM3 >>>> SDC

Size: Projectiles are about the same size, SDC makes a big beam explosion upon impact
Speed: Lightning gun is like an air railgun, if you aim properly, no land can dodge this thing, compare to a SDC which travels slow cow
Range: Lightning is again like a railgun, outranging SDC, SDC also can't be depended on for the full distance because it's so slow when it reaches destination, the target has already moved a mile away

Only costs 50 more than a SDC? I'm sold.

knyx wrote:

Thoarla AM3 >>>> SDC

Size: Projectiles are about the same size, SDC makes a big beam explosion upon impact
Speed: Lightning gun is like an air railgun, if you aim properly, no land can dodge this thing, compare to a SDC which travels slow cow
Range: Lightning is again like a railgun, outranging SDC, SDC also can't be depended on for the full distance because it's so slow when it reaches destination, the target has already moved a mile away

Only costs 50 more than a SDC? I'm sold.

SDC is infinitely more acquirable by the average person(RT factor, etc.) than is Thoarla AM3. And you can tune for Rapid to improve SDC's projectile speed.

FireKiller87 wrote:

knyx wrote:

Thoarla AM3 >>>> SDC

Size: Projectiles are about the same size, SDC makes a big beam explosion upon impact
Speed: Lightning gun is like an air railgun, if you aim properly, no land can dodge this thing, compare to a SDC which travels slow cow
Range: Lightning is again like a railgun, outranging SDC, SDC also can't be depended on for the full distance because it's so slow when it reaches destination, the target has already moved a mile away

Only costs 50 more than a SDC? I'm sold.

SDC is infinitely more acquirable by the average person(RT factor, etc.) than is Thoarla AM3. And you can tune for Rapid to improve SDC's projectile speed.

I agree with the availability thing, but if you do happen to get your hands on a Thoarla Lightning Gun, then yes, it's well worth yanking a Stardust off your main large Air and putting the Lightning Gun on instead (Thoarla herself just doesn't make the best use of it).

Though I will say, the Lightning Gun doesn't have quite the speed of a Railgun shot, it's close and the projectile is much larger, more than enough to merit the comparison in accuracy.

As for the slots... Last I checked, my Thoarla AM3 had 3 slots on it... Though I guess you could argue that I lose the slots that would otherwise be in the arm holding the Stardust Cannon, but you can't tune those arm slots for range anyway. Still, triple slotting SDC for speed still won't get you to the accuracy of the Lightning Gun, and there would still be the issue of range.

Thanks for the replies. Other great things in the weekly gara, so I may attempt to get the AM.

Different weapons for different uses. The arm is for sniping, SDC is for general combat. The real pain of the arm is the charge time.

Feign wrote:

FireKiller87 wrote:

knyx wrote:

Thoarla AM3 >>>> SDC

Size: Projectiles are about the same size, SDC makes a big beam explosion upon impact
Speed: Lightning gun is like an air railgun, if you aim properly, no land can dodge this thing, compare to a SDC which travels slow cow
Range: Lightning is again like a railgun, outranging SDC, SDC also can't be depended on for the full distance because it's so slow when it reaches destination, the target has already moved a mile away

Only costs 50 more than a SDC? I'm sold.

SDC is infinitely more acquirable by the average person(RT factor, etc.) than is Thoarla AM3. And you can tune for Rapid to improve SDC's projectile speed.

I agree with the availability thing, but if you do happen to get your hands on a Thoarla Lightning Gun, then yes, it's well worth yanking a Stardust off your main large Air and putting the Lightning Gun on instead (Thoarla herself just doesn't make the best use of it).

Though I will say, the Lightning Gun doesn't have quite the speed of a Railgun shot, it's close and the projectile is much larger, more than enough to merit the comparison in accuracy.

As for the slots... Last I checked, my Thoarla AM3 had 3 slots on it... Though I guess you could argue that I lose the slots that would otherwise be in the arm holding the Stardust Cannon, but you can't tune those arm slots for range anyway. Still, triple slotting SDC for speed still won't get you to the accuracy of the Lightning Gun, and there would still be the issue of range.

Hm. 2x Great Rapid Beta(+15% speed, -10% range?) and Great Range Alpha/Beta(+15% range, -10% speed/ammo?). I would rather have only one ~Alpha tune because it eats at SDC's limited ammo capacity(-10% brings you down to 170-17, which is...153 ammo, and if you're the spammy ammo-waster type, you won't like that.)

I made a newer build for DG.

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Using no more than 2 slots on every part to avoid breaking stuff and wasting mats, I get 34 TEC and 20 WLK, plus 24 TGH on the side with 2 STR and 1 FLY. Handy Zooka will either be by luck or will switch off with my Lily.
Tune mats will be the most annoying part of getting this build.
Carts are built for 4x Internals.

Any thoughts?

Ah jeez. Just when I had to wipe my cookies. I had like 4 builds for DG (yeah I was that obsessive over that one girl).

That build sound sounds okay but I'd like to open your mind to a few other things:

You already know 25 WLK is not much. Ever thought of 40 WLK/FLY? I know you don't plan on going near combat but combat will come to you.

High TEC is good with 4 internals too. But ever thought of adding BR or leaving her at 9? BR=you know when things are coming at you and you'll need that with 25 WLK.

Ever thought of a Rail Gun? If you do, buckler is better since it makes her hitbox smaller, with just the same HP as viper (with half hte cost)

2/3 slots is great; that's my standard fare for all of my bot builds.

Also, I believe it says in the main (though derailed) DG thread that you only need 3 internals to get what you need (the last one I think only adds damage, but not speed/range). I know Suguri mentioned this, but he didn't mention particularly why.

ngelicdark wrote:

Ah jeez. Just when I had to wipe my cookies. I had like 4 builds for DG (yeah I was that obsessive over that one girl).

That build sound sounds okay but I'd like to open your mind to a few other things:

You already know 25 WLK is not much. Ever thought of 40 WLK/FLY? I know you don't plan on going near combat but combat will come to you.

High TEC is good with 4 internals too. But ever thought of adding BR or leaving her at 9? BR=you know when things are coming at you and you'll need that with 25 WLK.

Ever thought of a Rail Gun? If you do, buckler is better since it makes her hitbox smaller, with just the same HP as viper (with half hte cost)

2/3 slots is great; that's my standard fare for all of my bot builds.

Also, I believe it says in the main (though derailed) DG thread that you only need 3 internals to get what you need (the last one I think only adds damage, but not speed/range). I know Suguri mentioned this, but he didn't mention particularly why.

Nope.avi

Last cart gives a godly

+1 damage
+10 ammo
+5 range
-100 int

Moreover DG carts follow a pattern with +5 range on even upgrades and +5 speed on odd upgrades.

Okie, thanks for the correction.

Also, do you know how badly you just screwed up my DG builds? lol. I wanna just give up with her now cuz she now suffers from lack of cap due to her INC INT CARTS FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF----

Every S sized ART I play is running into these damn problems.. Maybe it's just time to upgrade to the next size level -_-''

ngelicdark wrote:

Ah jeez. Just when I had to wipe my cookies. I had like 4 builds for DG (yeah I was that obsessive over that one girl).

That build sound sounds okay but I'd like to open your mind to a few other things:

You already know 25 WLK is not much. Ever thought of 40 WLK/FLY? I know you don't plan on going near combat but combat will come to you.

High TEC is good with 4 internals too. But ever thought of adding BR or leaving her at 9? BR=you know when things are coming at you and you'll need that with 25 WLK.

Ever thought of a Rail Gun? If you do, buckler is better since it makes her hitbox smaller, with just the same HP as viper (with half hte cost)

2/3 slots is great; that's my standard fare for all of my bot builds.

Also, I believe it says in the main (though derailed) DG thread that you only need 3 internals to get what you need (the last one I think only adds damage, but not speed/range). I know Suguri mentioned this, but he didn't mention particularly why.

Four Internals is a given for me. If not, I'll get Broad Radar so I can see shit, which decreases my cost by 10(essentially a High ~ Alpha or two High ~ Beta tunes).
TBH, I'm a pretty bad sniper, so I'm not much for a Railgun. I do have one reserved for her though, in which case I'll probably go for the Buckler.

Here is a build for a Rail Sniper:
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TBH, I don't like this build. 31 TEC and 15 WLK with 24 TGH on the side. I went with a Shooter tune on the Railgun, increasing the range to 410 and speed to just under 600.
Another major weakness of this build is the lack of close-combat defense. And if I replace the Buckler with a Handy Bazooka, my FLY drops to zero, which isn't great.

tl;dr This build gets caught by a close-range attacker = dead meat.

Any other suggestions?

I think my old railgun build for DG was something along the ends of 20 WLK and 40 TEC with dec TGH. (There might have been a few gamma tunes tossed in there).

Railguns from the shop are okay in terms of bullet speed, so I went ahead with a range tune on them instead. It felt a little more cost effective.

IMO if you're a high TEC/full int cart DG, you're gonna be probably dead meat should a melee come after you. Just too little cap to spread for mobility tunes.

Apart from that I don't know what else I can suggest. I'll try to tack up a cosmicalc build in a bit.