Mikito Range / Miruru or Perse Shade?

raisen if you are talking about bikini ivis,she doesnt have guard cartridges so ı assume thats why, she only has all guard 30%.also she doesnt have too much tgh to begin with.but still ı may be wrong

Bikini Ivis is the Ivis with the most tgh at stock, without much of a drawback, if any.

YukiZero wrote:

mikoto range= sh*t
miruru=meh
Perse shade = art resha so tune it

Kill yourself.

Spoiler:

the circlejerking in this thread is hilarious

ayy lmao tse-tung

bippusuta wrote:

the circlejerking in this thread is hilarious

it's almost like watching the charlotte clan chat

Winty wrote:

bippusuta wrote:

the circlejerking in this thread is hilarious

it's almost like watching the charlotte clan chat

sometimes

but at least it isn't masquerading as a discussion board that in reality is just an exhibition in name calling and trying to look cool in front of your friends. i just wanna talk about cb

otakuchama wrote:

YukiZero wrote:

mikoto range= sh*t
miruru=meh
Perse shade = art resha so tune it

Kill yourself.

Spoiler:

tried so many times
EDİT:Also whats wrong with the join time?I joined to the game when pepo&nemlin released just didnt joined to the fanforum -_- whatever.

Well I thought Mikoto range is decent. I guess i'll just have to abandon my desire to tune her coz based on the opinions in this topic, mikoto range is not worth tuning

player: rufei says she does no damage so she cannot possibly be decent because she doesn't do any damage

The Battle of the Pot and Kettle.

where

Up your ass on the left, you can't miss it.

Mikoto Ranged = Glorified Connie
Miruru = Perse Shade = annoying ARTs with anti-anti-homo.

StickyKeys wrote:

Mikoto Ranged = Glorified Connie

What are you even talking abt?

They both can shoot.

Amazing similarity.

reVelske wrote:

Up your ass on the left, you can't miss it.

???

talkin about stuff only you can see again?

NeilSteel wrote:

Well I thought Mikoto range is decent. I guess i'll just have to abandon my desire to tune her coz based on the opinions in this topic, mikoto range is not worth tuning

Mikoto gunner is decent, she is strictly worse than momiji sen when you drop the charge shuriken though. They do the exact same thing, both are no utility lnd gunners with good capacity, mediocre damage output, similar end cost and cart choices but momiji sen doesn't die horribly to melees because her dash is amazing vs mikoto's dash being really awful. If there aren't many melees looking to reap your ass mikoto can do okay, high survivability with good enough damage is her high point but there being strictly better options (momiji sen and nora) is never fun

bippusuta wrote:

NeilSteel wrote:

Well I thought Mikoto range is decent. I guess i'll just have to abandon my desire to tune her coz based on the opinions in this topic, mikoto range is not worth tuning

Mikoto gunner is decent, she is strictly worse than momiji sen when you drop the charge shuriken though. They do the exact same thing, both are no utility lnd gunners with good capacity, mediocre damage output, similar end cost and cart choices but momiji sen doesn't die horribly to melees because her dash is amazing vs mikoto's dash being really awful. If there aren't many melees looking to reap your ass mikoto can do okay, high survivability with good enough damage is her high point but there being strictly better options (momiji sen and nora) is never fun

well i have momiji sen ( not the zero) so i guess i should just tune her rather than mikoto? I agree with the dash tho, i cant even dodge with it or escape coz its too short lol,

sen has worse cart selection(missing fast recovery) and gets less levels(optimal gunner mikoto would only use 1 zero cart so gets 11 carts to select), has an inferior main weapon(same speed, worse force, worse range, only better INT), worse starting stats(massive STR which you won't be able to make use of, worse FLY, worse TGH, and that's even without giving mikoto any arms).
Calling sen a better option is kind of silly when the only thing she really has going for her is her dash.

NeilSteel wrote:

well i have momiji sen ( not the zero) so i guess i should just tune her rather than mikoto? I agree with the dash tho, i cant even dodge with it or escape coz its too short lol,

IMO momiji sen without the charge shuriken is just strictly more flexible than mikoto gunner due to the dash (everything else is pretty much the same), so if you are looking for a high survivability lnd gunner she's the better choice. Building momiji sen without the charge shuriken precludes the ability to use it though, so if you like using it on her it might be worth tuning mikoto just to be able to have both a lnd gunner with utility like the slow turn charge shuriken on momiji sen and also one w/o utility that gets more stats like mikoto. Decisions!

Just as an example of how similar they are

mikoto:

momiji sen:

The only real difference is mikoto gets sword guard (or some other cart but her poor dash makes sword guard probably the best choice) and momiji sen has the vastly more usable dash. Of the two momiji sen's seems like the clear winner to me.

Winty wrote:

has an inferior main weapon(same speed, worse force, worse range, only better INT)

Mikoto's has higher force (12x2/3 w/ force tune vs 20 w/ hforce) but with a higher int (500 vs 340) and after tgh reduction the damage is really similar, the range difference is fairly minor (you'll usually be under that anyway with how these types of robots play and the mediocre speed) but momiji sen's bullet is bigger making it easier to hit with in my experience. Arm/hand weapons generally aim nicer than shoulder weapons too but it didn't seem like much of an issue from when i played mikoto.

Oh this time you remembered about tgh reduction.

Relict? wrote:

Oh this time you remembered about tgh reduction.

Tgh reduction screws high force weapons like stella's charge cannon even worse than mikoto ^_^;

If you want some epin maymay mathematix, ignoring tec hforce momiji sen does ~59 ideal dps and mikoto if you consider her 12 force x2.5 does 60 ideal dps but mikoto hits more times so she'd be doing less damage due to tgh

realistically its basically the same if you are hitting the same % of shots ^_^;

actually if you realize that her dash cannot be used in that situation and that she has greater range and a remote portion on her ranged attack from the extra shot you would instead find that she is better suited to a longer range build where she can use her dash to dodge attacks and maintain distance rather than escape bad situations as it is less disruptive to her movement patterns rather than trying to force a single playstyle on all units.

Momiji's weapon is really good for playing a close ranged style, which the rest of her kit also helps out for if you were to retain that rather than removing it, the problem is that a lack of fast recovery in general makes this kind of playstyle less effective than it was in the past, but with a low ammo weapon like hers she isn't designed to live forever. Obviously if you are just going to jump into the enemy team and shoot things and then run away when you are low on HP sen is a stronger choice.

Mikoto's entire setup is better done from further away, where she can sit back and shoot at things freely and kite backwards when a melee tries to advance on her. Having access to fast recovery allows her to fight against the kind of status spamming units that people love to use these days, and high amounts of ammo encourage her to live longer which is also part of her playstyle really. When jumping into the enemy team isn't an option due to the makeup of the enemy team, mikoto will be a stronger option if you build her in a way that benefits the playstyle she was designed around rather than building her to try to match momiji.

it's a matter of instead of seeing "this dash is bad why don't I just use something else" instead looking at where she is stronger and making a build around your strong points rather than just calling a unit weak because it doesn't do what you want it to do.

Personally I don't think a 12 force 1000 int remote weapon or 20 range is really worth crafting a play style around or adds much overall to what gives mikoto the qualities she has. And 250 base range is pretty short for something you'd wanna play a more supportive damage role anyway.