build for icy

hey

i need a build to icy and i can't find any decent one so i tried to create one...
i just want to say that its my first time EVER i tried to build ANYTHING, so please don't be too... mean :/

basicly i tried to get max tech and 31 fly somehow, don't know if i should, don't know if i've done it right, hope you can judge that :

build with 5cap and broad radar:

also i tried to get 6 cap instead of broad radar, thats what i got :

build with 6cap and no broad radar:

agian, my first time trying to make a build, if you have any better build, please share it
thank you in advanced.

edit :
i forgot to ask, if i have an account full of mats and items, can i transfer them somehow to another account with the bazaar system? if i can, does it requires a specific amount of uc? and is there any items i can't use in the bazaar system?
thank you

edit 2 :
Leriel is awesome so he gave me a build :

all hail Leriel~:

if someone can approve this build, that will really help me

personal opinion only...

I like broad radar, being ambushed by a melee LND with slow tunes on their weapon is almost certain death.

Well, I was never that much of a good dodger with movement carts so I still keep a blast guard or beam guard or both depending which is harder to dodge in this meta.

I often prioritize mobility of FLY (Float Dash) or WLK (Short Boost) before pumping TEC because for me it is your only defense against melee since you don't have Sword Guard cart.

I never had an Icy but if the weapon's speed is around 400+ I wouldn't put any Rapid tunes at it anymore. And there is nothing wrong with adding range or power.  


On the side note: if you are really planning on transferring "transferables" to another through the bazaar system, you're going to have a bad time with the tax and other potential onlookers to you shop.  

Pork Chop wrote:

personal opinion only...

I like broad radar, being ambushed by a melee LND with slow tunes on their weapon is almost certain  death.

Well, I was never that much of a good dodger with movement carts so I still keep a blast guard or beam guard or both depending which is harder to dodge in this meta.

I often prioritize mobility of FLY (Float Dash) or WLK (Short Boost) before pumping TEC because for me it is your only defense against melee since you don't have Sword Guard cart.

I never had an Icy but if the weapon's speed is around 400+ I wouldn't put any Rapid tunes at it anymore. And there is nothing wrong with adding range or power.  


On the side note: if you are really planning on transferring "transferables" to another through the bazaar system, you're going to have a bad time with the tax and other potential onlookers to you shop.  

have you seen Leriel's build? i edited and added it.
can you give me your opinion about his build?
and thank you for your help

use weapon tunes they are good

Spoiler:

Winty wrote:

use weapon tunes they are good

Spoiler:

no EIW at all?
and now im confused.... i don't know if i should use this build or Leriel's build, i hope someone will help me choosing :/

Winty wrote:

use weapon tunes they are good

Spoiler:

No stun regain or C-veil to go with your 7 TGH? Are you relying solely on the range of your cannon?

>stun regain at 7tgh
>cveil on a long-range artillery that should never be caught
of course I'm using the range of the gun why else would I have range tunes in it
what am I gonna do with CV tunes, not get stunned by the rinkas that disorder me?
you hop around at the edge of a fight shooting people with your dumb gun

if you want EIW you can capa tune to get it by dropping some of the HP. IMO it puts you overcost for what she does especially when ammo considerations are taken into account.

You're gonna get your ass handed to you the moment something smashes through the front lines, especially if you get displaced, immobilized, or camped. Personally, I always hit at least double digits for TGH, unless I'm running 2+ crimson veils. It's pretty easy to get there, and it almost never takes more than 10-15 cost, which is well worth it, in my opinion.

there is
broad radar
hops
accel roll
ice wall
backstep from weapon switch

the moment something smashes through the front lines you leave it's threat zone
CV isn't going to help when you are sub 450 HP especially since you have to drop other things for that.
tgh doesn't do shit to melees until you start getting to like 15 or whatever it is, and you are artillery regardless. Lower TGH values are to prevent ranged weapons from stunning and you shouldn't be trading shots with things since they shouldn't be in range to trade shots with you.
If something does get on you and you can't run away and can't win a damage race you are dead regardless of tgh or cv tunes.
Like
you can put that cost into tuning stats that will be useful 10% of the time
or you can put it into stats that are useful 100% of the time
i think this is a pretty easy decision.
bringing up "if X happens I need Y" is silly when X is the thing that your bot dies to regardless.
CV is for crowd diving and dueling melees.

if you get hit by melee you fucked up
why would you ever plan to fuck up
it's like wanting to be bad

Fair enough.

Spoiler:

A build with Accele Roll.
Mine wasn't built to have Accele Roll because >Rt carts, but I get easily killed by a lot of things (especially since CS is like HURR DURR ICE WALL CONSUMES TWO AMMO PER USE I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO FIX IT SO TOO BAD), so I'd recommend Accele Roll over any other survival options. If you don't keep room for it, you can have better weapon tunes (more force on either, more speed on the handgun, etc.).
2x EIW is a must for me and I'd very extremely highly super duper a lot recommend it. Broad is extremely useful for her, too. And as for the last cart, I wouldn't do anything besides Short Boost, Float Dash, or Fast Recovery, but Fast Recovery is 30 cost, and doesn't grant a very helpful mobility option. Actually since Ice Wall runs out super fast now I wouldn't even consider Fast Recovery at all.

morxd213 wrote:

no EIW at all?
and now im confused.... i don't know if i should use this build or Leriel's build, i hope someone will help me choosing :/

mine

About Leriel's build...

Short boost + Accele Roll gives you a good distance away from any danger compared to increasing your FLY stat.

I have a Lily Rain with Float Dash + Accele Roll. So in my opinion.

Stick to your team, even if you have very high maneuverability to avoid anything, it literally eats almost all your boost gauge. Meaning it will kill you if someone dedicates to chase after you. But when you are among the crowd of your allies, you are most likely to be the last target to be chased for being able to travel away longer and faster in a sudden moment.  

thank you everyone for your help !
im still not sure if i should use Leriel's build or MagicPotatoplz's build, but i will figure it out somehow XD

someone have any tips for using icy? any certain things i should do in the battle to use the max potential of icy?
and how should i use icy's ice wall? i can't figure out how to use it properly and when should i use it.

and agian, everyone, thank you so much !

Not sure if her EIW is even needed with all these Rones around and such.

Idk but imo either Potato-Ô's or Winty-chama's build. 23 FLY isn't enough D=

Zwiebel Force wrote:

Not sure if her EIW is even needed with all these Rones around and such.

Idk but imo either Potato-Ô's or Winty-chama's build. 23 FLY isn't enough D=

I don't see that many Rones. But I don't play that much anymore.
2x EIW = longer Long Range duration, and you can activate whenever you want, max 3 times. On top of that it grants a great projectile size increase (though railgun damage seems a little buggier when bigger), making accuracy on the handgun much better, and very potent mixed with Long Range or Hypershot. Also pretty sure it gives a small force increase on both weapons when aura's active. Too good to not take. ; _ ;

As for Leriel's build there's a lot of inefficient tunes, so at least fix it up first (high tec betas on a fly bot. i dont even.)

Weapon tunes are completely up to you, I just didn't know what to put in for the weapon tunes because everyone seems to do them differently.

For playing Icy: Watch the radar at all times. Stay back and utilize the cannon + Long Range. Don't waste your time when you have Aura active. If the match is running low on BP and you still have Aura activation ammo left, use it once your Long Range runs out so you can utilize that. If they ever fix her Ice Wall, don't be afraid to use it a lot, because it's pretty godly. Right now you might want to conserve your Ice Wall ammo a little but still make sure you use it often enough that you'll run out of Ice Wall ammo before you die (no matter how much you want it to, it won't last until your weapons run out of ammo). Her Ice Wall is also useful for supporting teammates; if you're healing in a group, stand in the front and use Ice Wall when enemies come and attack from the front. Make sure you switch between the two guns in the appropriate situations; the handgun is very good for killing close airs and stunning anything that may be chasing you.
Some things you usually don't want to mess with: Mialy (all forms), anything with a Blast Railgun, Persenachia, Nicole Malice, Monica Gold, all melees; be very careful when fighting Air Eve and Resha, because Ice Wall doesn't block Ruin Cannon's damage or Bullet Jam, though it does usually block most of Vox's damage.

MagicPotatoplz wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:

Not sure if her EIW is even needed with all these Rones around and such.

Idk but imo either Potato-Ô's or Winty-chama's build. 23 FLY isn't enough D=

I don't see that many Rones. But I don't play that much anymore.
2x EIW = longer Long Range duration, and you can activate whenever you want, max 3 times. On top of that it grants a great projectile size increase (though railgun damage seems a little buggier when bigger), making accuracy on the handgun much better, and very potent mixed with Long Range or Hypershot. Also pretty sure it gives a small force increase on both weapons when aura's active. Too good to not take. ; _ ;

As for Leriel's build there's a lot of inefficient tunes, so at least fix it up first (high tec betas on a fly bot. i dont even.)

Weapon tunes are completely up to you, I just didn't know what to put in for the weapon tunes because everyone seems to do them differently.

For playing Icy: Watch the radar at all times. Stay back and utilize the cannon + Long Range. Don't waste your time when you have Aura active. If the match is running low on BP and you still have Aura activation ammo left, use it once your Long Range runs out so you can utilize that. If they ever fix her Ice Wall, don't be afraid to use it a lot, because it's pretty godly. Right now you might want to conserve your Ice Wall ammo a little but still make sure you use it often enough that you'll run out of Ice Wall ammo before you die (no matter how much you want it to, it won't last until your weapons run out of ammo). Her Ice Wall is also useful for supporting teammates; if you're healing in a group, stand in the front and use Ice Wall when enemies come and attack from the front. Make sure you switch between the two guns in the appropriate situations; the handgun is very good for killing close airs and stunning anything that may be chasing you.
Some things you usually don't want to mess with: Mialy (all forms), anything with a Blast Railgun, Persenachia, Nicole Malice, Monica Gold, all melees; be very careful when fighting Air Eve and Resha, because Ice Wall doesn't block Ruin Cannon's damage or Bullet Jam, though it does usually block most of Vox's damage.

wow, thank you so much
i mainly want damage and range to the charge gun, i dont really care about the handgun cuz as you said i use it only with short ranges (a condition i don't wanna get into as a sniper) and well... breaking cactus and these things to get ammo/hp when needed.
which tunes you think i should get to the charge gun? and do you think i should giveup on the speed tune you gave the handgun to get a better tune to the charge gun?
also, what do you mean "If they ever fix her Ice Wall"? is it bugged somehow? i never really used it so i don't know...
btw, sorry if i sound like a total noob (which i am, i guess) but where can i get the cosmic cola and eve ornament?

Iirc, it uses 2 ammo.

morxd213 wrote:

wow, thank you so much
i mainly want damage and range to the charge gun, i dont really care about the handgun cuz as you said i use it only with short ranges (a condition i don't wanna get into as a sniper) and well... breaking cactus and these things to get ammo/hp when needed.
which tunes you think i should get to the charge gun? and do you think i should giveup on the speed tune you gave the handgun to get a better tune to the charge gun?
also, what do you mean "If they ever fix her Ice Wall"? is it bugged somehow? i never really used it so i don't know...
btw, sorry if i sound like a total noob (which i am, i guess) but where can i get the cosmic cola and eve ornament?

Ahhh, I really didn't mean to imply that you shouldn't use the handgun much. It's really good. Sometimes I play very offensively and hop around in the front lines using it and all my Ice Walls right off the bat.
I really can't say what weapon tunes you should use... they're all good. ; _ ; Personally, I went with G Force + G Rapid, but I definitely feel like more Range would help. Some people don't tune their handgun because they already find it easy to hit with and/or they're trying not to lower its ammo. I think it's a little slow, so my handgun has G Rapid Beta (3x Rapid would save 20 ammo and 5 cost if you can afford to tune 3x Rapid on the gun).
Ice Wall consumes 2 ammo instead of 1 like it should. At least mine does. lol
Cosmic Cola: one of the UC DX Garas, there are other +1 TEC 10 cost weapons out there. You can buy it or a +1 TEC Bouquet at bazaar for probably less UC than it would take to roll it.
I'm pretty sure you can only get EVE Ornaments from other people at bazaar or from cubes now... they used to be in UC Gara. ;-;

MagicPotatoplz wrote:

morxd213 wrote:

wow, thank you so much
i mainly want damage and range to the charge gun, i dont really care about the handgun cuz as you said i use it only with short ranges (a condition i don't wanna get into as a sniper) and well... breaking cactus and these things to get ammo/hp when needed.
which tunes you think i should get to the charge gun? and do you think i should giveup on the speed tune you gave the handgun to get a better tune to the charge gun?
also, what do you mean "If they ever fix her Ice Wall"? is it bugged somehow? i never really used it so i don't know...
btw, sorry if i sound like a total noob (which i am, i guess) but where can i get the cosmic cola and eve ornament?

Ahhh, I really didn't mean to imply that you shouldn't use the handgun much. It's really good. Sometimes I play very offensively and hop around in the front lines using it and all my Ice Walls right off the bat.
I really can't say what weapon tunes you should use... they're all good. ; _ ; Personally, I went with G Force + G Rapid, but I definitely feel like more Range would help. Some people don't tune their handgun because they already find it easy to hit with and/or they're trying not to lower its ammo. I think it's a little slow, so my handgun has G Rapid Beta (3x Rapid would save 20 ammo and 5 cost if you can afford to tune 3x Rapid on the gun).
Ice Wall consumes 2 ammo instead of 1 like it should. At least mine does. lol
Cosmic Cola: one of the UC DX Garas, there are other +1 TEC 10 cost weapons out there. You can buy it or a +1 TEC Bouquet at bazaar for probably less UC than it would take to roll it.
I'm pretty sure you can only get EVE Ornaments from other people at bazaar or from cubes now... they used to be in UC Gara. ;-;

Yeah i know the handgun is awesome, when i started using icy i used the handgun only, its insane with the tower`s speed boost.
Even now im using it sometimes when my team really rapes the enemie and when i have a speed boost, but i don't think its worth tuning a weapon i use sometimes instead of tuning my main one even more, do you disagree?
Btw, do you own steam/origin? I know its a random question xD

my reasoning for not taking EIW:
seems like a lot of cost(60) on something that doesn't directly increase damage(may or may not add a small force buff during aura, but you can be a greedy nignog and hog WD items, your team probably doesn't need them) and also doesn't benefit from ammo restoration. If it went to, idk, 5 or something I could see it being useful, but icy isn't really the kind of thing that dies before using up all her ammo, so having extra ammo is highly beneficial, which is why I'd prefer to place all my spare cost into weapon tunes since I can get more weapon ammo, rather and EIW which is used 3 times and then gone forever. The LR is very, very useful - I've considering capa tuning to pick up 1x eiw but I don't feel that sacrificing damage for EIW is a worthy trade.

Winty wrote:

my reasoning for not taking EIW:
seems like a lot of cost(60) on something that doesn't directly increase damage(may or may not add a small force buff during aura, but you can be a greedy nignog and hog WD items, your team probably doesn't need them) and also doesn't benefit from ammo restoration. If it went to, idk, 5 or something I could see it being useful, but icy isn't really the kind of thing that dies before using up all her ammo, so having extra ammo is highly beneficial, which is why I'd prefer to place all my spare cost into weapon tunes since I can get more weapon ammo, rather and EIW which is used 3 times and then gone forever. The LR is very, very useful - I've considering capa tuning to pick up 1x eiw but I don't feel that sacrificing damage for EIW is a worthy trade.

basicly, thats how i see the builds you all gave me :
Leriel's build : high damage, high ammo, low range, low speed, and low fly. (1EIW)
MagicPotatoplz's build : low damage, average ammo, high range, high speed, and high fly. (2EIW)
Winty's build : high damage, low ammo, high range, high speed, and high fly. (0EIW)

while i do love high damage and high range, its kinda useless when i run out of ammo and it feels like a waste of time to start killing trees in the middle of the battle(cuz mostly my team don't give a shit about the fact that i don't have ammo) so i think the aura system uses the full potential of the ammo i have.
the problem is that 18 seconds is almost nothing, while 99 seconds is a decent time for using most of my ammo efficiently.
the reason i like MagicPotatoplz's build is because its more efficient on the long term, i guess i will change the great rapid beta for high force beta (it gets the same force as the two other builds and saves 3% ammo, not bad in my opinion) and i guess i will keep the speed tune on the handgun, its only 5 capa and i don't have anything better to add instead so its fine (can't hurt, right?).
btw Winty, i don't understand why did you used the Ranger tune, its 10 capa for 15 hp, i think instead of 20 capa for 30 hp a sniper sight would have helped me more by not getting noticed, do you think im wrong? if so, why?

thank you for helping me

when I run out of ammo I tend to ask for ammo, and if I don't get it, run in and shoot people with my pistol until someone gets annoyed enough to kill me.

I took a ranger tune because i like having HP. Other options include putting a force tune in the pistol, or going to level 10.

Aura increases the force of the cannon by 4, the smaller gun by 1.

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Aura increases the force of the cannon by 4, the smaller gun by 1.

oh, thats kinda low, thought its a bit higher...
if thats so, i think Winty is right, should i change potato's build this way? :

Spoiler:

that way i have 15 extra cap to add anything if i want to ( or get a beam guard even though its not helpful at all... ) and also i will have instead of about 60-62 force while using aura i will always have 61 force, although it does lowers the ammo to 84 which is a shame...
gimme your opinions

potatochang wrote:

As for Leriel's build there's a lot of inefficient tunes, so at least fix it up first (high tec betas on a fly bot. i dont even.)

A little irrelevant on something trying to save Str in this case but I thought I'd point out High Tech Beta is perfectly fine on flybased bots who don't need their str.

2x HTech Beta + HBoost Beta is 4 tec, -1 walk, 0 fly, and -3 str for 15 cost. You pay 5 cost less for the same stat gain as 2x HTech Alpha while killing off a few different stats in comparison. Not usable on all bots, but definitely noticeable on bots like Fia or anything with excess walk/slots (you pay 3 slots for 4 tec vs 2 slots) where those few 5 costs you shave off is the difference between 28 fly and 34.