[Catridge Advice] Ouka, Ivis (old)

Hi, I'm just curious what are the recommended cartridges for the above bots when they level up.

Thanks!

For Ouka

- All capacity cartridges
- Boost Run
- Short Boost
- Stun Regain or Quick Land
- Stealth System

Ouka has a long learning curve, and she takes the longest out of any bot to level up to level 10.

Ivis depends on what you want to do, in any case pick both EIWs for max troll. She can either be a melee user, or a hopper.

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Zwiebel Force wrote:

Ivis depends on what you want to do, in any case pick both EIWs for max troll. She can either be a melee user, or a hopper.

Are you implying melee can't/shouldn't hop?

Valkyrie wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:

Ivis depends on what you want to do, in any case pick both EIWs for max troll. She can either be a melee user, or a hopper.

Are you implying melee can't/shouldn't hop?

When people say "Hopper"
They mean "Gunner that hops".

Valkyrie wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:

Ivis depends on what you want to do, in any case pick both EIWs for max troll. She can either be a melee user, or a hopper.

Are you implying melee can't/shouldn't hop?

I'm using a hopping Kuten myself. She's lol ._.

And I've never seen a hopping melee Ivis. Maybe her capa is too low or something

Zwiebel Force wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:

Ivis depends on what you want to do, in any case pick both EIWs for max troll. She can either be a melee user, or a hopper.

Are you implying melee can't/shouldn't hop?

I'm using a hopping Kuten myself. She's lol ._.

And I've never seen a hopping melee Ivis. Maybe her capa is too low or something

Hopping moves you out of the way too much and her rapier doesn't have the travel range.

Ivis:
Blast Guard
Short Bost or Float Dash
Sword Guard or Other Cart you want
2x EIW
All other in capa..

Build...
WLK: 36+ (Break Point)
FLY: 1+ (not sure if it affects the Float Dash)
STR: 30+
TGH: If you want but just to reduce damage... she doesn't have stun regain so the combo CVeil+Stun Regain doesn't apply. And with CVeil you will not be stuned

Rapier (Curse): 1 or 2 Slow Tunes + Force (1 force tune gives more damage that STG tunes)

Zwiebel Force wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:

Zwiebel Force wrote:

Ivis depends on what you want to do, in any case pick both EIWs for max troll. She can either be a melee user, or a hopper.

Are you implying melee can't/shouldn't hop?

I'm using a hopping Kuten myself. She's lol ._.

And I've never seen a hopping melee Ivis. Maybe her capa is too low or something

HD Ivis can be nasty with hop, but she’s entirely different in comparison to her other sisters.

DarkChuky wrote:

Ivis:
Blast Guard
Short Bost or Float Dash
Sword Guard or Other Cart you want
2x EIW
All other in capa..

Build...
WLK: 36+ (Break Point)
FLY: 1+ (not sure if it affects the Float Dash)
STR: 30+
TGH: If you want but just to reduce damage... she doesn't have stun regain so the combo CVeil+Stun Regain doesn't apply. And with CVeil you will not be stuned

Rapier (Curse): 1 or 2 Slow Tunes + Force (1 force tune gives more damage that STG tunes)

From what I've heard and experienced: Float Dash movement speed is affected by FLY alone, the WLK only affects the jumping+landing, so low FLY Float Dash seems a bad idea. Short Boost seems better, but according to the Goddess, that'll only be useful as an evasive action or to climp up a faster.

Float Dash is affected by both walk and fly, just like short boost. I don't notice much difference in float dash speed between my 38fly/1walk Katalina and my 11fly/32walk Kuten. If anything I think Kuten might be a tiny bit faster.

You don't really need 2x Internals

I think 6x uses of CRV is enough, each lasting quite a while.

LXE wrote:

For Ouka

- All capacity cartridges
- Boost Run
- Short Boost
- Stun Regain or Quick Land
- Stealth System

Ouka has a long learning curve, and she takes the longest out of any bot to level up to level 10.

You say Stun regain or Quick Land, when in reality Stun Regain should be a must. Stealth System or Quick Land is more accurate. As for Ivis, 1x Internal, Shortboost/Quick Land are near neccesities IMO.

Trill wrote:

You say Stun regain or Quick Land, when in reality Stun Regain should be a must. Stealth System or Quick Land is more accurate.

Ok, Thanks Trill! :3

Go pierce gun with Ivis.

Screw meleeing. She's not a good melee anymore.

Use the arm to farm trees and tune clearance for double buff

tehprognoob wrote:

tune clearance for double buff

I've thought about this several times when calculating her - but wouldn't the internal buff cancel out the revenge clearance? 60 or even 90 capa sounds a bit exaggerated for some All Guard (you could always raise her TGH and such...).

BTW: Ivis BD's internal weapon is affected by shell supply. Brave people won't need any internal upgrade. Just farm trees and dive into the opposition. Ignore the pain and succumb to the forbidden key...

It's actually 40 or 60 capa (Clearance is only 20 cost, not 30).

And no, it doesn't cancel out the self Crimson Veil. It would only cancel out another Revenge buff, not Ivis's self-buff.