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| | Is it ok to build a seraph like that? | |
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Morishima Regular Poster
Posts : 157 Join date : 2011-09-03
| Subject: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:10 pm | |
| which one is best? [spoiler]【Robot Name】 Seraph Crimrose
【Parts】 BD: Seraph Crimrose BD6γ : Beam Bit(default) : Seraph Crimrose LG2 [Great Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [Great Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose HD6 [Great Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [Great Tech Alpha] : Eve Hair Ornament : Ace of Hearts Earrings : Seraph Crimrose BS3 [Great Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [Great Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [Great Tech Alpha] : Auto Beam Rifle : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Alpha] : Auto Beam Rifle
【Config Check】 COST: OK BS: OK LG: OK
【Stats】 TYPE: 空 SIZE: S COST: 1260 CAPA: 1260 HP: 419 STR: -6 TEC: 37 WLK: 1 FLY: 40 TGH: 8
LEVEL: 10
【Cartridges】 Capacity +70×7 Stun Regain Quick Boost Stealth System
【必要素材】 Fudara Cosmos×7 Midoro Cosmos×7 Red Chip×170 Yellow Chip×60 Green Chip×10 Stabilizer×96 Turbo Charger×54 Scope Lens×44 Drum Magazine×30 Guide Circuit×64
ABR Force = 19 (Dual Bursting ABR 2x19 = 38) ABR Range = 300 Int = 200 Note: You got enough Ammo for a whole game without killing trees. ___________________________
【Robot Name】 Seraph Crimrose
【Parts】 BD: Seraph Crimrose BD6γ : Beam Bit(default) : Seraph Crimrose LG2 [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose HD6 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Beta] : Devlin Propeller : Ace of Hearts Earrings : Seraph Crimrose BS3 [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] : Ballista Shooter [Great Force Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Beta] : Viper Shield [Tech Alpha]
【Config Check】 COST: OK BS: OK LG: OK
【Stats】 TYPE: 空 SIZE: S COST: 1265 CAPA: 1265 HP: 419 STR: -5 TEC: 33 WLK: 1 FLY: 37 TGH: 8
LEVEL: 10
【Cartridges】 Capacity +70×7 Enhance internal weapon×2 Stun Regain
【必要素材】 Hidora Cosmos×1 Fudara Cosmos×15 Threede Cosmos×1 Red Chip×127 Yellow Chip×35 Green Chip×10 Stabilizer×65 Turbo Charger×35 Strike Metal×9 Drum Magazine×21 Guide Circuit×48 Prism Glass×15
Ballista Force = 25 Ballista Range = 225 INT = 540 ____________________________
【Robot Name】 Seraph Crimrose
【Parts】 BD: Seraph Crimrose BD6γ : Beam Bit(default) : Seraph Crimrose LG2 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose HD6 [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] : Eve Hair Ornament : Ace of Hearts Earrings : Seraph Crimrose BS3 [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Alpha] : Auto Beam Rifle [Great Force Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tough] : Auto Beam Rifle [Great Force Alpha]
【Config Check】 COST: OK BS: OK LG: OK
【Stats】 TYPE: 空 SIZE: S COST: 1250 CAPA: 1260 HP: 419 STR: -2 TEC: 33 WLK: 1 FLY: 38 TGH: 10
LEVEL: 10
【Cartridges】 Capacity +70×7 Enhance internal weapon Stun Regain Float Dash
【必要素材】 Fudara Cosmos×15 Threede Cosmos×2 Red Chip×145 Yellow Chip×30 Green Chip×5 Stabilizer×68 Turbo Charger×30 Brake Damper×13 Strike Metal×18 Drum Magazine×18 Guide Circuit×52 Prism Glass×30 Hard Plate×11
ABR Force = 21 ABR Range = 270 ABR Ammo = 360 ARB Int = 200 ABR Speed = 385
Last edited by Morishima on Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:48 am; edited 2 times in total | |
| | | Trill Grand Poster
Posts : 3071 Join date : 2011-02-26 Age : 912
| Subject: Re: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:27 pm | |
| I think you may be a bit confused on priorities are on a bot.
In my opinion, cart select comes first, weapon selection comes next, weapon tunes come next, then finally stats itself.
I would replace Stealth System with either Shortboost or Float Dash, as both can be used while on the ground if you fall mid-flight to get away safely.
Great Boost Beta tunes are bad costwise. Lets do a bit of math here: 3 fly, -1 str and wlk for 20 cost. High Boost Beta is +2 fly, and -1 str/wlk for only 5 cost. You pay 15 more cost for one extra fly. Is that efficient? Not even close.
As for the dual ABR build. You have more than enough ammo for one match with an abr. I have rarely run out of ammo, the only time I did was with some heavy hypershot spamming. I would rather use an Mini Bazooka inplace of the second ABR for anti-air. And let me say this ONE MORE TIME:
TUNE TO 38 FLY, NOT 40 The distance between 38 and 40 distance wise is about one froglander's length, a distance not worth the 10 extra cost or slots to cover.
And please. Instead of cluttering this section with your plethora of questions, maybe create one central thread you post only in. | |
| | | FireKiller87 Ace Poster
Posts : 1708 Join date : 2011-03-08 Location : Blowing FC Seraph out of my airspace
| Subject: Re: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:38 pm | |
| - Morishima wrote:
- which one is best?
- Spoiler:
【Robot Name】 Seraph Crimrose
【Parts】 BD: Seraph Crimrose BD6γ : Beam Bit(default) : Seraph Crimrose LG2 [Great Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [Great Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose HD6 [Great Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [Great Tech Alpha] : Eve Hair Ornament : Ace of Hearts Earrings : Seraph Crimrose BS3 [Great Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [Great Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [Great Tech Alpha] : Auto Beam Rifle : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Alpha] : Auto Beam Rifle
【Config Check】 COST: OK BS: OK LG: OK
【Stats】 TYPE: 空 SIZE: S COST: 1260 CAPA: 1260 HP: 419 STR: -6 TEC: 37 WLK: 1 FLY: 40 TGH: 8
LEVEL: 10
【Cartridges】 Capacity +70×7 Stun Regain Quick Boost Stealth System
【必要素材】 Fudara Cosmos×7 Midoro Cosmos×7 Red Chip×170 Yellow Chip×60 Green Chip×10 Stabilizer×96 Turbo Charger×54 Scope Lens×44 Drum Magazine×30 Guide Circuit×64
ABR Force = 19 (Dual Bursting ABR 2x19 = 38) ABR Range = 300 Int = 200 Note: You got enough Ammo for a whole game without killing trees.
My comments: Why are you alphaing ABR? Why do you even have two ABR? One is good enough. Toss one and grab a Mini Bazooka. Tune for Speed, maybe High Boost Beta if you hate that -2 FLY penalty. Also, try to avoid Great Tunes. Stealth System is only useful if you like sneaking up on people, I would toss and grab either Float Dash, Short Boost, or Quick Jump/Land(I forget which one Crim has, or if she has both, grab one, I'd prefer Quick Jump). If you change your Great Tunes to High tunes, I'm fairly sure you can get your STR back up to 1 and thus enable WB use. ___________________________
【Robot Name】 Seraph Crimrose
【Parts】 BD: Seraph Crimrose BD6γ : Beam Bit(default) : Seraph Crimrose LG2 [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose HD6 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Beta] : Devlin Propeller : Ace of Hearts Earrings : Seraph Crimrose BS3 [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] : Ballista Shooter [Great Force Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Beta] : Viper Shield [Tech Alpha]
【Config Check】 COST: OK BS: OK LG: OK
【Stats】 TYPE: 空 SIZE: S COST: 1265 CAPA: 1265 HP: 419 STR: -5 TEC: 33 WLK: 1 FLY: 37 TGH: 8
LEVEL: 10
【Cartridges】 Capacity +70×7 Enhance internal weapon×2 Stun Regain
【必要素材】 Hidora Cosmos×1 Fudara Cosmos×15 Threede Cosmos×1 Red Chip×127 Yellow Chip×35 Green Chip×10 Stabilizer×65 Turbo Charger×35 Strike Metal×9 Drum Magazine×21 Guide Circuit×48 Prism Glass×15
Ballista Force = 25 Ballista Range = 225 INT = 540
My comments: People gonna hate on me for this, but you should really drop your FLY to...31. Most people say 28 is the max for a 2x Wings Seraph(I'm somewhat inclined to agree, honestly), but I don't like being overly chained to Wings and a lot of players have trouble catching Airs with good FLY if you evade well. Plus you aren't chained to 99 seconds of chaos wreaking before you have to go commit suicide, which is great if you aren't an overly efficient fighter. Other than this...I haven't worked with Ballista Shooter, ask someone else about tunes for it. I also believe that a shield on any kind of Seraph is a complete waste of your time and your 60 cost. Drop it and pick up a nice Mini Bazooka. ____________________________
【Robot Name】 Seraph Crimrose
【Parts】 BD: Seraph Crimrose BD6γ : Beam Bit(default) : Seraph Crimrose LG2 [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [Boost] : Seraph Crimrose HD6 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] : Eve Hair Ornament : Ace of Hearts Earrings : Seraph Crimrose BS3 [High Boost Beta] [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Alpha] : Auto Beam Rifle [Great Force Alpha] [Great Force Alpha] [High Force Alpha] : Seraph Crimrose AM2 [High Boost Beta] [High Tech Alpha] [High Tech Beta] : Viper Shield [Great Tech Beta]
【Config Check】 COST: OK BS: OK LG: OK
【Stats】 TYPE: 空 SIZE: S COST: 1260 CAPA: 1260 HP: 419 STR: -3 TEC: 34 WLK: 1 FLY: 39 TGH: 8
LEVEL: 10
【Cartridges】 Capacity +70×7 Enhance internal weapon×2 Stun Regain
【必要素材】 Hidora Cosmos×1 Fudara Cosmos×14 Midoro Cosmos×1 Twode Cosmos×1 Threede Cosmos×2 Red Chip×165 Yellow Chip×35 Green Chip×20 Stabilizer×72 Turbo Charger×40 Strike Metal×23 Scope Lens×7 Drum Magazine×21 Guide Circuit×45 Prism Glass×30
ABR Force = 24 ABR Range = 219 INT = 200
My comments: I don't think ABR needs that many Force Tunes and I doubt it's gonna do too much. Drop one, probably two. Tune Speed instead, imo. Once again, drop FLY to 31. And get rid of that shield and pick up Minizook.
In general, I noticed that all three builds have neg STR. This is preference, but I like to have WB use enabled on my builds. Below is a little thing on why I like to have WBs good to go: I was gonna post a nice little thing up here, but...hows that go again, a good magician never reveals his tricks?
Anyway, it's a really good idea to have WBs enabled, but it's not a fatal flaw and it's not necessary to have. | |
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| Subject: Re: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:05 pm | |
| All your builds are bad. For the following reasons
- Viper Shield on Seraph Crimrose - Viper Shield + Auto Beam Rifle - More than 38FLY - Great Tunes (should be changed to Crap Tunes because they're not great at all) - Stealth System, really? - No Float Dash |
| | | Morishima Regular Poster
Posts : 157 Join date : 2011-09-03
| Subject: Re: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:16 am | |
| Greate Tunes because I needed the slots I save from those (I dont care about the higher cost ass long it all goes in)
Viper because I don´t a Buckler and since I am playing I never even got to see one in one of the boxes.
Stealth System...I have low hp ppl see me and follow me what´s better to hide float dash of stealth system? you would need to float dash to your base and even then you´re still not safe!
Float Dash - I have Seraph takle just staying after the takle on the space button is fine enough... | |
| | | Morishima Regular Poster
Posts : 157 Join date : 2011-09-03
| Subject: Re: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:46 am | |
| [Edit on the third one.]
He got no Great Tune Stats
He got Float Dash
He got no Viper Shield
He doesn´t have over 38 fly
SO is he ok now? | |
| | | Nymph~ Ace Poster
Posts : 1221 Join date : 2011-07-23
| Subject: Re: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:31 am | |
| -str is not that good cuz AIR is bot who can use bit to optimal even with only 1 str *cough* prop bit *cough* and 10 tgh, iirc bump it to 11, abr break point is 23-27-32-37 don't see u force tune it, and why dual abr anyway, put buckler for protection or minizoka for AA ability | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:45 am | |
| @Morishima - Since I don't feel like giving you a build, I'm going to give you the Minimum Requirements your Seraph should meet.
- Max cost 1190 - Float Dash - 11TGH - 38FLY - Quick Boost - 3 slotted Mini Bazooka with Rapid type Tunes - Auto Beam Rifle with Rapid type Tunes
Stuff to avoid
- Stealth System - Two of the Enhance Internal Weapon cartridges |
| | | Morishima Regular Poster
Posts : 157 Join date : 2011-09-03
| Subject: Re: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:29 pm | |
| Can you tell me what the cons for the 3rd build is?
I am fast can, in case of need, stay a long time in air and my dps isn´t bad it´s actually pretty good....
I can easy stunned but get just as easy hp with stun regain. I have a nice distance to my targets (270 isn´t small at all)
I have alot of amo on abr since I got 2
The Cost is high but I actually don´t have in mind to die I want to live throuhout the game.
_________________________ - Max cost 1190 (don´t wanna die so who cares) - Float Dash (I have) - 11TGH (I have 10 is there a big difference?) - 38FLY (I have) - Quick Boost (Do I need that? I got 38 Fly and if I am about to drop on enemybase I gonna use seraph wings) - 3 slotted Mini Bazooka with Rapid type Tunes (I disnlike the small ammo if zook) - Auto Beam Rifle with Rapid type Tunes (Rapid tunes give speed not int so WHY?)
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| | | IcyAmiki Regular Poster
Posts : 341 Join date : 2010-12-26 Age : 36
| Subject: Re: Is it ok to build a seraph like that? Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:11 pm | |
| It's more or less a case of meeting an ART which can bazooka you with 60-70 dmg per shot. There are higher chances *oddly enough* to live with just slightly higher tgh, since every stats has their own breakpoint.
Regarding Quick Boost, it helps alot when you are trying to float dash in a quick manner, since you restore your boost much more quicker, hence no camping on the ground for 1 sec to restore the boost.
3 slotted mini bazooka with rapid tunes is for adapting to in case you encounter an AIR that is hunting you. Which is possible in alot of cases. Or you are hunting them.
Regarding weapon speed, try shooting with high speed weapon and go figure. Telling is more or less useless since it comes with experience.
Advice: 1. Remove stun regain and put quick boost. Since, it doesn't help gain much HP when you're getting hit with 60-80 dmg weapon. 2. Str keep at 1, since propeller bit helps alot when you're out of wings to spam. Or for slayer bit. 3. You can keep the ABR if you want, but I don't really see much of a point. Since you're better off with a viper shield or buckler instead.
And on the side note, I would replace all of crim part with something smaller, cost effective for tuning, and allows more option for weapon tune or stat tuned weapon.
Though to be honest, I'm against a few of the opinions coming from above. But, whatever, one thing I can say is, Trill's advice is better than the rest.
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