x5 rolls vs four x1 rolls?

ziix wrote:

xzpwnz wrote:

*Facepalm*
x5 is the same as rolling x1 5 times

I thought rolling 5x was cheaper

He's referring to the luck factor, not cost. To be honest, I don't know what the exact luck factor is, but what I do know is that you can either roll a garapon four times individual instead of five to get a variety of "Initial luck screens" instead of starting off with a derpwalk/carcrash for the entire five. It's either you want to play it safe or accept the chances of being anti-gold cursed and save money.

RNG in computer are not random.

If you roll 5x at 5:00:00.00(sec) pm saturday 4/20/2011 and get 5 brown balls.
Time travel back and roll 5x again exactly at 5:00:00.00(sec) pm saturday 4/20/2011, you will get the exact same result.

1x roll are for non-big rollers who want to spread out the time variable used by RNG, in order to evade bigger damage. Since this isn't normal gambling where all reward is desirable, for garapon getting lucky just once is good enough.

Constant 5x roll are for big rollers who can take the damage and/or also view everything as reward.

If you can afford it, and is only looking for specific gold bot. 5x roll for very high chance of superfly, and spread out the time you do it. You can't spread as wide as 1x, but your chance of superfly will make it worth it. (while whether the free ball is worth it, I believe it depend on the price list of garapon)

One last thing, I don't believe each garapon "machine" is created equal. It would be so easy to tweak the program code of the garapon, and for profit, there are no reason not to do it aside ethic (example: I have gotten car crash with 5x roll on older garapon; newer garapons I have yet to get any non-superfly). Gambling business that don't rig their system? No such thing. (when the rigging is bad, 1x roll should be more ideal, as you probably got all the undesired or 2nd choice already)

Of course, bloody luck trump all probability.

fhoeng wrote:

RNG in computer are not random.


One last thing, I don't believe each garapon "machine" is created equal. It would be so easy to tweak the program code of the garapon, and for profit, there are no reason not to do it aside ethic

Random number generator not random? Lol, but I get what you're saying.


Also, I believe it's illegal to alter the files in a company's game for your own benefit, much as it's illegal to count cards at a casino to increase your chance of winning (this IS illegal, right?). If it's not necessarily illegal, it's often in the provider's ToU, so you would be banned if they found out.

If you get anything other than superfly for a 5x, you've derped for 5 rolls. Spreading it out means you might avoid having 5 derpwalks.

Raven wrote:

fhoeng wrote:

RNG in computer are not random.


One last thing, I don't believe each garapon "machine" is created equal. It would be so easy to tweak the program code of the garapon, and for profit, there are no reason not to do it aside ethic

Random number generator not random? Lol, but I get what you're saying.


Also, I believe it's illegal to alter the files in a company's game for your own benefit, much as it's illegal to count cards at a casino to increase your chance of winning (this IS illegal, right?). If it's not necessarily illegal, it's often in the provider's ToU, so you would be banned if they found out.

I don't get what you were getting at.

Are you saying that we shouldn't rig the file of the garapon? Or are you saying the company employee shouldn't rig the garapon?

(I was talking about that the company boss and employee can have a discussion about making gold ball more rare and finish implementing it within 30 min, and naturally they would never tell consumer anything about it)

Oh ok, that would be fine. I thought you were suggesting a player editing the files, not the company. Simple miscommunication.

The player editing file would probably be difficult with this game, considering most things are server side and coded more in java instead of completely in c++. (no pointers for your easy access to insert things into memory)

Honestly, one of the reason I play cosmic break is that I was surprised how far a java game got to. (naturally, if this game is all about steroid and muscles *coughmanberlcough*, i wouldnt play regardless of java)

the chances are same, go with 5x
and the only one that affect your chances is "time"
I got 3 sturb standard and 3 baltheon for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 12 03:00 PST)
I got 1 frau and 2 shaden for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 23 17:00 PST)
because computer can't 100% randomize something like that

frizky wrote:

the chances are same, go with 5x
and the only one that affect your chances is "time"
I got 3 sturb standard and 3 baltheon for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 12 03:00 PST)
I got 1 frau and 2 shaden for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 23 17:00 PST)
because computer can't 100% randomize something like that

interesting info
I guess Ill consider rolling in between Epoch times (18-25 PST)
thanks

this confirms how I got my first gold
and how I failed 2 garas

u can get a superbunny fly with just one roll right??

what if you rolled 5x and get a derpwalk??T_T
though i never got a superbunny fly with just one roll on UC garapon (mikki-chan never charge rt)

let's just believe in the power of wishes. cross our fingers and get a gold ball teehee~

I've noticed that my most lucky rolls were at around 5am EST... That would be 1am PST... It seems though that rolls are all made at once with the 5x rolls, so the possibility of getting duplicates in a set of rolls goes up. As I've said in another thread, seven of my past ten rolls have been Geograsis F-Type. This is leading me to believe that the RNG isn't just written on a basic time seed, but is very poorly written on a basic time seed.

to wit: Remember the exact time you roll Garapon, and perhaps even write it down and share it when you get an awesome gold bot (Yanno, like a Lolibox or something.) It may help others.

frizky wrote:

the chances are same, go with 5x
and the only one that affect your chances is "time"
I got 3 sturb standard and 3 baltheon for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 12 03:00 PST)
I got 1 frau and 2 shaden for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 23 17:00 PST)
because computer can't 100% randomize something like that

ohai.
i got everything except frau in gara 1.

Feign wrote:

to wit: Remember the exact time you roll Garapon, and perhaps even write it down and share it when you get an awesome gold bot (Yanno, like a Lolibox or something.) It may help others.

Exact down to the minute? Damn. Been a while... but I can tell you that the 9pm PST hour has been the best for me. Got my EVE after getting home from class, and a Byne Girl after pounding the crap out of Sugoi quest, both in that nighttime hour.

Raven wrote:

fhoeng wrote:

RNG in computer are not random.


One last thing, I don't believe each garapon "machine" is created equal. It would be so easy to tweak the program code of the garapon, and for profit, there are no reason not to do it aside ethic

Random number generator not random? Lol, but I get what you're saying.


Also, I believe it's illegal to alter the files in a company's game for your own benefit, much as it's illegal to count cards at a casino to increase your chance of winning (this IS illegal, right?). If it's not necessarily illegal, it's often in the provider's ToU, so you would be banned if they found out.

yes, it's ilegal... any mod to the game files (that is not allowed like bot skins) are ilegal... and probably all the gambling is in server side so no matter what you do, u will not be able to change the % of the drops...

the randomn numbers in PC are not real randoms cause it's time dependant... or SEED dependant... if you use same seed in same times numbers will be the same... but time never stops so you will not get same numbers.... (it's legal rule that a random number must be reproduced in the same scenario.. that makes it no real random but works perfec as we need)

If you go back in time and try the same 5 roll, u must also click at the same time (second, miliseconds) to get the real same values... xD

Rinrin wrote:

frizky wrote:

the chances are same, go with 5x
and the only one that affect your chances is "time"
I got 3 sturb standard and 3 baltheon for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 12 03:00 PST)
I got 1 frau and 2 shaden for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 23 17:00 PST)
because computer can't 100% randomize something like that

ohai.
i got everything except frau in gara 1.

I on the other hand have frau as my only gold from gara one, did get a sturbanger standard every time though.

Unless there RNG is more derp than expected, noting time down is pointless. The RNG is normally done via computer time, aka really fast time or milliseconds or less. Unless you got some hax timer and ridiculous reaction time to click on the button at the exact time, the RNG will be different.

talking about potential hax are we? I'm telling!

Moving on....chance is chance, 1x or 5x, it wouldn't change anything.

NP-3228 wrote:

talking about potential hax are we? I'm telling!

Moving on....chance is chance, 1x or 5x, it wouldn't change anything.

except in 5x, u pay for 4 and get 1 free

Intet wrote:

Rinrin wrote:

frizky wrote:

the chances are same, go with 5x
and the only one that affect your chances is "time"
I got 3 sturb standard and 3 baltheon for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 12 03:00 PST)
I got 1 frau and 2 shaden for 10x roll in gara 1 (april 23 17:00 PST)
because computer can't 100% randomize something like that

ohai.
i got everything except frau in gara 1.

I on the other hand have frau as my only gold from gara one, did get a sturbanger standard every time though.

IGN pl0x. to be on mah 'lucky fags blacklist' to chase after in arena
and nice job rubbing salt on my wounds.

I got the following bots with only one try and one roll (not x5) :
Ouka
Renny lop
Patty lop

You're welcome.

I got the fllowing from five x rolls

vangaurds4

patty lop 1

hatigarm machine 1

ameteus nova 3

ameteus muiche 2

suzaku 10

seirion 1

the land aura bot 2

blitzelt 2

pshyo cluster 1

lancelot k 1

gurulubird sati 1

pacifar br 1

byne lb I just got it lb stands for long bunker =D 1

geograsssis f 1

gathima the one with built in greaker 1

gattling zooka 2

ancient zooka 1

cruel rails guns 2

vs launcer 1

cross shooter 4

long beam rifle

v2 shooter

ignition sword meeh

drill knuckels 5

that every usable bot and weapon I got from doing 5x garapon rolls tevery five x roll i do i get something as good as the listed above again 5x rolls>>>1x rolls period

let me compare what I got

5x roll (1st weekly gara)
Marill March x2
Slice Gun
Beetlander
Tune

5x roll (RT gara 1)
Shine Battler x 2
Sigma Clock
Jack Gadget 2
Pile Bunker

1x Roll (SUGOI)
Shino Exroad
Amateus Muchi
Combat Mag

1x Roll (RT gara 1)
Soljeter (My first and only GOLD)

let me see me hmm.. no matter what pic comes out is derp derp derp for me.

1x 5roll

Renny
Renny
Renny
Renny
Renny ........ wtf is this.... <-- took me aprox 3000rt for 1 Renny and now..... ~_~

SoMotokuKarin wrote:

let me see me hmm.. no matter what pic comes out is derp derp derp for me.

1x 5roll

Renny
Renny
Renny
Renny
Renny ........ wtf is this.... <-- took me aprox 3000rt for 1 Renny and now..... ~_~

GRATROLLED TO THE MAX =D

if by some stroke of god we get to trade rt parts.

Boytitan.

Trade you all my genburas for your moe bots