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+10UncleBobbie colfenor1337 beccadmgirl Winty Kuzuha God is a Cat Girl Nfi Yokura Miko Miko Spark Moghul 14 posters |
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Moghul I understand nothing
Posts : 1832 Join date : 2011-06-12 Age : 30 Location : Earth
| Subject: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:12 pm | |
| I don't understand how she works and how the carts work. Seriously though, the carts keep saying BD@ What BD@? There is no BD@. But there IS a slot for an equippable item. I checked the gara and the gara one doesn't have anything there either. I got all 3 fancy carts but nothing has really changed apart from the fact that I can now take off faster. I just don't get how it works? Am i supposed to get the BD@ from somewhere? ok now i'm surrounded by red stuff and i can fly really long. i don't understand anything and why are my targets all disco? | |
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Moghul I understand nothing
Posts : 1832 Join date : 2011-06-12 Age : 30 Location : Earth
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:56 pm | |
| mmm, as soon as i ALPHA, she gets that fancy buff... is she meant to be an alpha? | |
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Miko Miko Spark Regular Poster
Other / Decline to state Posts : 267 Join date : 2012-05-14
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:10 pm | |
| - Moghul wrote:
- I don't understand how she works and how the carts work.
Seriously though, the carts keep saying BD@
What BD@? There is no BD@. But there IS a slot for an equippable item. I checked the gara and the gara one doesn't have anything there either. I got all 3 fancy carts but nothing has really changed apart from the fact that I can now take off faster.
I just don't get how it works? Am i supposed to get the BD@ from somewhere?
ok now i'm surrounded by red stuff and i can fly really long. i don't understand anything
and why are my targets all disco?
- Spoiler:
Shop Alcy doesn't have the Nova, I believe. That's probably the part you're missing. | |
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Moghul I understand nothing
Posts : 1832 Join date : 2011-06-12 Age : 30 Location : Earth
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:27 pm | |
| nope. it's right there. it says Analyze Nova. - Spoiler:
@ red arrow: empty slot | |
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Yokura Ace Poster
Posts : 1237 Join date : 2010-12-31
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:32 pm | |
| Isn't it the one right above the BS? If not then.. Uh, it's the conversion part that no one has yet? | |
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Moghul I understand nothing
Posts : 1832 Join date : 2011-06-12 Age : 30 Location : Earth
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:34 pm | |
| ok so there is a "conversion part"
how does anyone get that? | |
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Yokura Ace Poster
Posts : 1237 Join date : 2010-12-31
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:35 pm | |
| The first 200 users to win Alcy Rivette will receive: ă»[Alcy Rivette (Special hair color)] x1 ă»[Alcy Rivette Conversion Parts] x1 ă»[Limited Edition Parts A] x1 | |
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Nfi Regular Poster
Posts : 406 Join date : 2013-04-14
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:35 pm | |
| the empty slot should be for the first 200 prize conversion part
here's a demonstration video for Alcy G-Cosmos path
https://youtu.be/nKCRpTTUVeY
the video description explain some stuff. | |
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Moghul I understand nothing
Posts : 1832 Join date : 2011-06-12 Age : 30 Location : Earth
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:47 pm | |
| Thank you very much! I really hope the conversion part is bazaarable, otherwise, what's the point?
As for alcy, so far, she seems quite interesting! | |
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God is a Cat Girl Guinea Pig Wearing Sweater
Posts : 5296 Join date : 2011-04-25
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:53 pm | |
| The buff that you get is the result of analyzing and hacking an enemy.
First you use analyze beam, and then you use hacking buster, which grants you the prop bit buff (and haste if you use on a zero type). The symbol around you is there to tell you which type your analyze beam and Nova are set to, which changes the resulting explosion. The video shows that, and her HD explains what her analyze beam will do when hacking certain types.
Do note that you need the Level 2 carts for the weapons generate said effects.
The limited edition part is probably just for looks. | |
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Moghul I understand nothing
Posts : 1832 Join date : 2011-06-12 Age : 30 Location : Earth
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:57 pm | |
| do you guys reckon she needs other weapons or would 2x maracas be enough?
if first option, which ones?
to me, she seems like she's built around her 2 weapons. however, taking them off, strapping 2 bses and some AIR weps on with the reboost cart is also a thing. so there's that...
EDIT : limited edition part isn't gonna be decoration, it increases nova to 20 force and beam to 4 force. | |
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God is a Cat Girl Guinea Pig Wearing Sweater
Posts : 5296 Join date : 2011-04-25
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:20 pm | |
| - Moghul wrote:
- do you guys reckon she needs other weapons or would 2x maracas be enough?
if first option, which ones?
to me, she seems like she's built around her 2 weapons. however, taking them off, strapping 2 bses and some AIR weps on with the reboost cart is also a thing. so there's that...
EDIT : limited edition part isn't gonna be decoration, it increases nova to 20 force and beam to 4 force. Limited part won't do that because her carts already do it. She doesn't really mode change, and even though her part says that it's a mode change part, those stats correspond to the stats that her ranged route gets. You can see that by looking at the ammo. Gara version can do just fine with her weapon, provided she's tuned (though she won't be retarded tier, maybe). Shop... I doubt that she can do much with 4~5 force, even though the beam splits. But yeah, you get 6 reboost charges for 20 cost only. | |
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Kuzuha What Abbey Get
Posts : 2441 Join date : 2011-10-03 Location : Philippines
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:51 pm | |
| Tried the shop version. And I think she goes well being an alpha. | |
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God is a Cat Girl Guinea Pig Wearing Sweater
Posts : 5296 Join date : 2011-04-25
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:33 am | |
| Yes, has 2 weapons and MB, should alpha. That's the NÂș1 rule in CB. | |
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Moghul I understand nothing
Posts : 1832 Join date : 2011-06-12 Age : 30 Location : Earth
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:27 am | |
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Yokura Ace Poster
Posts : 1237 Join date : 2010-12-31
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:31 pm | |
| ... What does Analyze cannon NOVA do? Â you get the nova shot as soon as you go G route. Â I haven't been able to figure out what it does differently with the extra cart. Slow turn? | |
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Winty God Poster
Posts : 8419 Join date : 2011-06-12 Location : california
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:04 am | |
| - God is a Cat Girl wrote:
- Yes, has 2 weapons and MB, should alpha.
That's the NÂș1 rule in CB. honestly I think there is some merit in an MB build, as you get to fire both of your weapons at once meaning you get your buffs without having to alternate, and you will get the boost restore with the hacking weapon constantly. | |
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God is a Cat Girl Guinea Pig Wearing Sweater
Posts : 5296 Join date : 2011-04-25
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:47 am | |
| - Winty wrote:
- God is a Cat Girl wrote:
- Yes, has 2 weapons and MB, should alpha.
That's the NÂș1 rule in CB. honestly I think there is some merit in an MB build, as you get to fire both of your weapons at once meaning you get your buffs without having to alternate, and you will get the boost restore with the hacking weapon constantly. The thing is, if you use it constantly, you will be overriding the buff. At some point you won't want to MB, because it will make you switch to a lower tier buff, which kinda of kills the point of having the cart. Using it once in a while to get the buff "faster", sure, but using her as MB? Doesn't sound that good to me. But if you aren't using any other weapons, you won't really making her MB, just alphaing once in a while to get the buff (which won't trigger any faster, and you will be triggering tgh reduction and losing ammo for nothing if you can trigger it). | |
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Kuzuha What Abbey Get
Posts : 2441 Join date : 2011-10-03 Location : Philippines
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:58 am | |
| I haven't levelled my Alcy yet so carts are still unknown to me. Though you have a point, God is a Cat Girl. | |
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God is a Cat Girl Guinea Pig Wearing Sweater
Posts : 5296 Join date : 2011-04-25
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:01 am | |
| BTW, am I the only that thinks that nova is rather crappy and can only hit targets standing still? Might not pick nova cart as it only changes the explosion, which isn't that good for now. | |
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Winty God Poster
Posts : 8419 Join date : 2011-06-12 Location : california
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:10 am | |
| the main this is that it allows you to constantly refill boost gauge because hitting the hacking beam on a tagged target will restore boost. This would allow for a katalina alpha effect where you just never land even without prop bits, and you have your reboost on top of that.
Without having MB you'd have to stop doing damage in order to refill boost. This way you can do both at the same time, even if your damage is a bit lower.
A full on alpha build with cross shooters and possibly a kon bs might be going a bit far, but I honestly don't see why you would write it off as common cben stupidity. It's not like we are putting jet accels on sylvias, here. | |
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Moghul I understand nothing
Posts : 1832 Join date : 2011-06-12 Age : 30 Location : Earth
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:02 am | |
| What could i use outside of cross shooters for alpha build? | |
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beccadmgirl Ace Poster
Posts : 1092 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 32
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:50 am | |
| - God is a Cat Girl wrote:
- Winty wrote:
- God is a Cat Girl wrote:
- Yes, has 2 weapons and MB, should alpha.
That's the NÂș1 rule in CB. honestly I think there is some merit in an MB build, as you get to fire both of your weapons at once meaning you get your buffs without having to alternate, and you will get the boost restore with the hacking weapon constantly. The thing is, if you use it constantly, you will be overriding the buff. At some point you won't want to MB, because it will make you switch to a lower tier buff, which kinda of kills the point of having the cart.
From what I see on Vanessa, your buff stays there for a while and you're only able to take another buff once the previous one is gone. I'm not sure about Alcy's boost refill effect though | |
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God is a Cat Girl Guinea Pig Wearing Sweater
Posts : 5296 Join date : 2011-04-25
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:42 am | |
| - beccadmgirl wrote:
- God is a Cat Girl wrote:
- Winty wrote:
- honestly I think there is some merit in an MB build, as you get to fire both of your weapons at once meaning you get your buffs without having to alternate, and you will get the boost restore with the hacking weapon constantly.
The thing is, if you use it constantly, you will be overriding the buff. At some point you won't want to MB, because it will make you switch to a lower tier buff, which kinda of kills the point of having the cart.
From what I see on Vanessa, your buff stays there for a while and you're only able to take another buff once the previous one is gone. I'm not sure about Alcy's boost refill effect though Boost refill isn't the buff. Prop effect is, though that's not the buff that I'm talking about. Her weapon gets a buff depending on the type that you hack. That will be overridden if you hit a different type. If you hack a zero, you won't want to mb anything else because it will get the buff overridden. So, you can't just mb all the time, else you are better of with a kata since you won't be making full use of her weapon. Btw, her damage is rather low as it is. Honestly I'd just rather abuse her range. Maybe mb only when enemy is too close and/or to hack. I just can't support going full alpha with her. Her capa isn't the best for that as well, and there's things on the shop that can do it better. | |
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beccadmgirl Ace Poster
Posts : 1092 Join date : 2011-11-19 Age : 32
| Subject: Re: Alcy problems Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:21 am | |
| - God is a Cat Girl wrote:
- beccadmgirl wrote:
- God is a Cat Girl wrote:
- The thing is, if you use it constantly, you will be overriding the buff. At some point you won't want to MB, because it will make you switch to a lower tier buff, which kinda of kills the point of having the cart.
From what I see on Vanessa, your buff stays there for a while and you're only able to take another buff once the previous one is gone. I'm not sure about Alcy's boost refill effect though Boost refill isn't the buff. Prop effect is, though that's not the buff that I'm talking about. Her weapon gets a buff depending on the type that you hack. That will be overridden if you hit a different type. If you hack a zero, you won't want to mb anything else because it will get the buff overridden.
So, you can't just mb all the time, else you are better of with a kata since you won't be making full use of her weapon. Btw, her damage is rather low as it is. Honestly I'd just rather abuse her range. Maybe mb only when enemy is too close and/or to hack. I just can't support going full alpha with her. Her capa isn't the best for that as well, and there's things on the shop that can do it better. My points: After Vanessa gains a buff her hacking blade ability is disabled for a while and you keep the current buff for a period of time. I do believe Alcy and Vanessa's hacking system work similarly. You can test it out easily though in training arena, hack a random lnd unit and then immediately try to hack a sup or air. Also there's a possibility for a buff hierarchy system such that a zero hack would always prioritize over the other 3 types, which just needs more testing | |
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