checking up on the variety of bots used in arena

reVelske wrote:

They still completely outclass just about everything else in the same league at their time of release, AG's effectiveness can only be matched by Seraphs, VE and Initone are very much AM3 tier with their range, only easier to use. Obviously these autoplay air have to play a lot more reserved nowadays thanks to all the autoplay arts (then again, not really, CBEN still can't hit Air for shit), but they are still very much top of the food chain. Shit like AG/TBG can easily be argued as "not very scary" in nowaday arena, but they can still easily GW/Destroyer with eyes closed on a good fucking day with no effort, random fuckwits who aren't even star rank and STILL GWing with TBG like they are worth a shit, and ease of play has everything to do with it.

"it's easier to kill shit players with X than it is with Y."
noshit. They outclass anything else? Aquila girl's only use is to tunnelvision a single player who isn't pay enough attention to her to dodge her. Wasn't there a clan in a tournament somewhere that decided to open with 8 of those things? And they got wrekt? I think that speaks for itself. Pudstomping is pubstomping and doesn't mean shit.

reVelske wrote:

What? By retarded you mean bad I assume? Melees have always been bad before Ouka. They still are mostly god awfully terrible but they get away with dumb shit simply due to the chaotic nature of pubbie arena or fast auto-movement that are heavily powered up by latency. Obviously Eris/Ivis are bit of an exception.

No, I mean melee's existance in this game was handled poorly in almost every aspect. They are given numerous crutches to make them better than they have any right to be, including the dumb as fuck melee scoring where they get twice as many points for doing the same amount of damage because some fucktarded jap felt bad for them and wanted more people to play them. It's all stupid shit.

reVelske wrote:

Reshas have done enough to the arena to deserve every bit of that hate from people, even more so if you are actually a vainic resha, which is still complete bullshit with Pierce. As much as I feel sorry for the guys who are having fun by simply running around harmlessly whilst bubbled up and how they usually get chased by half of the bloodthirsty team, you can't really blame people for hating her that much.

A resha who is using a piercegun can't use any of her resha abilities, just a note.

reVelske wrote:

I don't even know what a Brachius is or what he does, that's how fucking amazingly significant he is.

Probably because you only pay attention to the moeshits in order to bitch about them and don't actually pay attention to things that are actually really fucking strong when used properly, which is my entire point here.(go figure)

reVelske wrote:

Only because you are laughably shit and lying through your teeth.

Argue all you want about Mialy/Fia/TBG/Monica/etc bullshit moe being "easy to kill", sure they are, WHEN THEY ARENT SITTING BEHIND THEIR WALL OF FUCKTARDS SAVING THEIR SHITTY FUCKING ASS. Buuut we'll excuse you for being blind of all the dicks that are rubbing against you, probably too used to that feeling.

you really think it's surprising that someone can get more score out of rushing in and killing shit with an at least partially tuned build and sitting back and constantly refreshing bits all day with an untuned mialy? You're out of touch.

>i don't know how to dive teams
I dive the things you listed with a 25wlk lazflamme. Even if you don't kill them, you can at least stop them from fucking over your team long enough for your team to do something. Now, diving a kagura, that's a different story, because she just happens to counter every single thing in the game. But you didn't list her since she isn't used quite so much. lol ignorance again.

reVelske wrote:

Get over your shit, you are just being a pedantic fuck going off over a generalization that is formed within reason. In the end of the day, people's hate are far more specific than a simple "hate all moe", nobody is gonna bitch to you about using laz/lily/crim/izuna/frau/etc core for whatever builds, very few people is going to bitch about some support moes keeping the team alive, it's all about the effect they have on the arena and how outclassing it feels to fight them.

>very few people bitch about support moes
yeah I think that's part of the problem, since a regina/melfi is worth so fucking much more than an aquila girl. They don't actively kill people so shitlords don't complain about things that are actually strong. I think I've said that exact line a few times before, though.

>how outclassing it feels to fight them.
you're pretty bad at this game if you feel that outclassed when you have things like piercegun accel saber builds.

Haha, how old is reVelske anyway? He sounds like a 13 year old seriously.

He cant even be civil when putting forth his arguments unlike Winty.

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Lol, on the forum rules page it states NO ONE IS ABOVE ANY OF THE RULES! but we should add "except reVelske" because its beyond me how he can get away with all his asinine comments.

reVelske wrote:

Because money clearly entitles you to ruining arena with OP nonsense, flawless mature logic right fucking there, folks.

Nothing is ruined. There are enough big spenders to balance the arena in terms of OP bots. Without people spending you wont even have a Cosmic Break.

Winty wrote:

Wasn't there a clan in a tournament somewhere that decided to open with 8 of those things? And they got wrekt? I think that speaks for itself. Pudstomping is pubstomping and doesn't mean shit.

>judging AG's effectiveness in competitive environment based on shit-filled clans like TTT/IFR

Uh huh.

HG also used several AGs during 3rd clan tourney, against NFA at least, and they worked pretty damn well in fact, AGAINST NFA.

Winty wrote:

including the dumb as fuck melee scoring where they get twice as many points for doing the same amount of damage because some fucktarded jap felt bad for them and wanted more people to play them. It's all stupid shit.

It's a fair system for old melees as they were very difficult to play well, too bad the scoring was kept around even when melees were significantly buffed, or rather, REPLACED with new melee nonsense.

Winty wrote:

Probably because you only pay attention to the moeshits in order to bitch about them and don't actually pay attention to things that are actually really fucking strong when used properly, which is my entire point here.(go figure)

Haven't I been fucking bitching at mecha shit as well? Or are the dicks clogging up your ears too? Or more appropriately, in your fucking eyesocket?

Winty wrote:

you really think it's surprising that someone can get more score out of rushing in and killing shit with an at least partially tuned build and sitting back and constantly refreshing bits all day with an untuned mialy? You're out of touch.

Crowd dive is about risk and reward + farming contribute, long range bullshit art is about sitting on your ass and accumulating free scores, sure you might crowddive up a better score from time to time, but only on a good day and against crowd of baddies.

Winty wrote:

But you didn't list her since she isn't used quite so much. lol ignorance again.

I did mention "etc" whenever i had to list some examples, SOME. You seriously gonna give me shit for not listing you the entire fucking moeshit roster? Go eat a fucking dick.

Winty wrote:

yeah I think that's part of the problem, since a regina/melfi is worth so fucking much more than an aquila girl. They don't actively kill people so shitlords don't complain about things that are actually strong. I think I've said that exact line a few times before, though.

With the level of overall damage output from arena these days and how repair bits are still completely old meta, new healers aren't all too "OP" in that sense at all, if anything, they are helping older stuff to stay relevant.

Winty wrote:

you're pretty bad at this game if you feel that outclassed when you have things like piercegun accel saber builds.

Learn to actually THINK.

You know that feel when you fight an Air eve with a MBGM Izuna? Or an AG with an old LPG+Mini Baz Izuna? Or anything against a Fagjack who can damage race you into oblivion? Anything against Ivis HD or Jace? A Saggi against a Mialy? A Grandum BS against TBG/Fia/FC? A Baz bot against Resha?

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Frederica-Bernkastel wrote:

Haha, how old is reVelske anyway? He sounds like a 13 year old seriously.

12/f/jp actually, which is more than what can be said about you.

Frederica-Bernkastel wrote:

Without people spending you wont even have a Cosmic Break.

Without people spending ludicrous amount of money on the game, CS would be forced to actually overhaul or simply ditch and remake the game into something new and sustainable. Right now the game feeds on rich kids who are too brain-damaged to see the flaws in this game, too brain-damaged to understand how a competitive online game SHOULD operate, too brain-damaged to understand that PAY2WIN is NEVER the way. The game isn't growing, the game isn't improving, we are still stuck with the same modes and gameplay shit since the beginning of time, content updates has mostly been gara, gara and more gara, that is NOT how to keep a game alive. This game should've been dead eons ago, but CS just happened to have struck gold with their formula thanks brain-damaged weeaboo kids and allowed to carry on with their nonsense.

If you don't like the way CS is doing things maybe you should leave for another game and take your pottymouth with you. It's highly unlikely that CS will change just to accommodate you.

But I must say I find your comments pathetic yet amusing all at the same time. Since your special status as the Admins pet allows you to constantly violate the very first rule of these forums without any consequences , I think I will just entertain myself by seeing how low you can get. I will not be replying to any of your posts as I now consider you nothing less than an animal, should we have the misfortune of meeting in-game I will consider you nothing more than an NPC. So go forth little manchild, bark and amuse me! Goodbye.

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ROFL, having fun yapping on the side line there?

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>Complaining about moebots

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What's this thread about again?

About nothing in particular, winty just felt like making a thread, it's not that different from your usual "what's your fav [insert random shit here]" threads.

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priskern wrote:

What's this thread about again?

Fags against respectable gentlemen, season 5

I don't know how this Moe vs. Mecha argument started, but I'm finishing it; Winty and reV, you're both right and both wrong.

On Moes: I'll admit that there used to be a time where I quite despised anything with human features in this game, to the point where I abstained from using any of them and stuck to Mecha for a while. It took me some time before I realized my monster robots - or at least the ones that weren't intentional jokes - were actually tearing a good strip out of most Moes once I learned how to fight them. Seeing this I eventually eased back into Moe fighting, and I did no better or worse than before at all.

There is one defining factor in the game that every bot, Moe or Mecha, has even to a limited extent: customization. Most of the time it's now what bot the other player is using, but how s/he sets it up and uses it.

On OPness: With the above said however, I won't deny that there have been a few instances where CyberStep didn't do their testing right (go figure); Aquila Girl, pre-nerf Resha and Flapjack are probably the best examples we've seen. Sure, eventually we learn the best way to deal with a new threat, that's what you do when faced with it multiple times. But if they continue to be a royal pain in the ass even long after that, then they simply aren't balanced and need to be fixed. Just make sure you take player skill and robot modifications into account before you call something overpowered.

This is what I believe. I know I'm probably going to be chewed out by both of you regardless if it's correct or not, but don't forget that your arguments are opinions too; everyone is entitled to their own, and it's annoying to see people force theirs on one another. If you really want to blame someone for the state of the game, blame the ones who are making it. I'm sure no one will deny that CyberStep isn't doing as good with Cosmic Break as they could and should be.

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Frederica-Bernkastel wrote:

Without people spending you wont even have a Cosmic Break.

You're saying this like it's a bad thing.

>Initone easy to play compared to Thoarla AM3/4.

In fact, it's the opposite. The only thing that makes Initone OP is its cost, for making it feel "easy to play" go blame the auto-art scrubs that can't hit shit even with Rone's LR buff. Oh, but that is completely fair, I mean, sitting in the back spamming right click and buffing as fuck the Newivises to obliterate the other team!

Frederica-Bernkastel wrote:

Nothing is ruined. There are enough big spenders to balance the arena in terms of OP bots.

Sure there are. Which is why 90% of the games ended with scores like 30000 - 0 or more.

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Without people spending you wont even have a Cosmic Break.

Good.

Frederica-Bernkastel wrote:

Even the greatest CBEN player Suguri loves moebots

Only five of them.

EDIT:
Eve
Feng Mei
Rone
Fluene
Regina
Melfi
Ion
Nemlim
Pepo
Squidol Girl

okay ten

The game would be infinitely better if Resha, Eris, Ivis (though I love her aesthetically), Monica, Mialy, Luto, Sylvia, Persenachia, Fia, FC Seraph, etc. were never conceived, and honestly mecha is why I played the game to begin with. I don't necessarily agree that moes are overpowering (aside from the ones I just mentioned) as in most instances there are mecha builds I'd prefer to them unless aesthetics are an issue to me (MLG > Fengmei Tao, Scram Mod/LL Blast/Victorl AM3/Ballistic Launcher/Pump Bazooka > :generic moe art here:, etc), what irks me more is how braindead most of them are to play. You don't even aim with bots like Aquila Girl or Fia, you just hold the respective mouse button and get score when your bullets happen to hit things, and it's the dumbest shit ever.

Turkeysaur wrote:

but that is completely fair, I mean, sitting in the back spamming right click and buffing as fuck the Newivises to obliterate the other team!

That is regrettable, but unavoidable unfortunately. The benefits should outweigh that particular con but... *shrugs* who knows, I might just be lying to myself on that one, that's just the unfortunately thing you have to deal with when playing any AoE support (even just bit support), there's nothing you can do to stop gaywads from getting your support too.

(this is another reason I love Melfi)

^ But then you have to choose between giving newbies a boost by prolonging their lifespan or just tunnel support on a single carry.

priskern wrote:

What's this thread about again?

thread was actually made to prove a point. Reading it, I think it served it's purpose quite well.

Overnight arguements, damn. Well, one guy is just outputting some useless garbage, while two or three people actually input some thoughts.

I'm kinda sorta (not really) glad that they released the A.L.E. series. I mean, ugh, more girly adjustments, really? But looking at them, they kinda uglified and weakened them, so I wasn't really worried about those. I really laughed at how they released ANOTHER Crimrose and Ivis. I feel like they tried to rake some money in by adding to the melee trend. Sadly, I feel like they really failed with these. Crimrose SIGMA is another TEC based bot. Ivis Reine... Oh man. Less mobility, speed, and combos for more "force" and range. This feels like it fails so much, yet I can see how much they tried to make more Vanguard tiers.

Now when will this thread stop being hijacked about moe vs mecha and actually talk about the variety of the content that the supposed majority actually use in arena? Here's what I still see.

Most common:
Ivis
Aquilia Girl
Eris
Mialy

Second tier:
Jace
Dracken
Aila
Nemlin

The rest of them:
Saggitary Maxis
Some useless AXIS bot.