Union CP Suspicion

For many weeks now, I've been seeing a similar trend -- The top unions of DOS or BRD presenting a higher total CP count than WIZ, while WIZ is just extremely far ahead for the total numbers.

DOS's top 10 clan CP: 18144
WIZ's top 10 clan CP: 5325
DOS's CP: 13423
WIZ's CP: 17723

Could someone please explain how exactly CP works, and how just the top 10 DOS clans from the list have MORE CP than our supposed total CP? I just don't fully understand how the system works. I'm not worried about DOS winning for the weeks (seeing as the prizes aren't worth anything), but I still find this all very strange -- check out the picture below to understand why.

Spoiler:

CP doesn't mean everything rides on the top 10 on the list. It's a cooperative effort, meaning every clan in their respective unions chips in for CP points.

Basically that means while DOS has a higher CP count in their top 10, that doesn't mean any clan below that chips in a lot. I think it's also based on how frequently clans do their arena and Epoch stuff.

As for the part where the top 10 clans have more points than the total amount, that might be attributed to Epoch and arena losses. Should go the other way around in terms of winning.

I believe it has to do with Epoch battles. The battles transfer the CP from the faction that loses Def to the faction that wins Off. If Def is won, nothing is moved. So, let's just say that DOS loses Def to WIZ on a Sunday (5k per area). DOS will go down 5k and WIZ will go up 5k. A painful 10k gap. Sadly, even if a faction is dropped to their last territory and they lose Def, they will still lose CP.

Whichever faction consistently wins both Def and Off will effectively rob CP from the other factions and hoard it.

WIZergs?

AzureRathalos wrote:

I believe it has to do with Epoch battles. The battles transfer the CP from the faction that loses Def to the faction that wins Off. If Def is won, nothing is moved. So, let's just say that DOS loses Def to WIZ on a Sunday (5k per area). DOS will go down 5k and WIZ will go up 5k. A painful 10k gap. Sadly, even if a faction is dropped to their last territory and they lose Def, they will still lose CP.

Whichever faction consistently wins both Def and Off will effectively rob CP from the other factions and hoard it.

So, you and Asagi are basically implying that Epoch performance is basically the centre of a unions CP gain, then? The way you say it, it sounds as if normal arena match CP is just so small and insignificant, and that we need to seriously focus on Epoch.

looks like it. welp, that's one reason why we shud go epoch moar

I don't see why..... you need/care so much for CP since it doesn't give anything

theres been many decisions about this, how it normally ends up is that

1. yes epoch counts for a large amount of cp gain, and its normally brd who captures the most

2.while cp gain from arena seems to be small, the shear amount of people within the wiz union always makes the hugest gain from this

3.Dos is so small that we can't fill up the epoch rooms and therefore end up losing it most of the time. the under population makes it so that the small cp gain from arena is as it says Small

as for it being worthless there are small prizes every week that are things like 30% + tickets and a tune mat or some useless 3 slot part, however games been going for a year or so and with wiz winning most of the time they are getting all this junk, personally i would like some of those 30% tickets.
and then theres those people who think cp gain really matters and feels their pride or skill pars it which is frankly not true.

Does clan CP standings accounts for CP lost in regular arena?

latin clan only appears in the picture

IronDicks wrote:

theres been many decisions about this, how it normally ends up is that

1. yes epoch counts for a large amount of cp gain, and its normally brd who captures the most

2.while cp gain from arena seems to be small, the shear amount of people within the wiz union always makes the hugest gain from this

3.Dos is so small that we can't fill up the epoch rooms and therefore end up losing it most of the time. the under population makes it so that the small cp gain from arena is as it says Small

as for it being worthless there are small prizes every week that are things like 30% + tickets and a tune mat or some useless 3 slot part, however games been going for a year or so and with wiz winning most of the time they are getting all this junk, personally i would like some of those 30% tickets.
and then there's those people who think cp gain really matters and feels their pride or skill pars it which is frankly not true.

Well, I'm not too focused on the prizes, but, it feels nice when I can actually organize my team in Epoch and arena, and we end up winning because of the plans. Sometimes, the reason why I play Cosmic Break is to actually FEEL like I made a good effort, and that a match was won by organization -- I don't have fun just being "hurrdurr i no care about socre or cost i just suicide rush i r having fun cuz i careless." It really goes to show how far teamwork can actually go in this game, but it's hard to even tell since you almost never see it in matches. Sometimes I'd be all "We need to spawn with many ARTs, and perhaps a melee LND over at this side, and we need to be patient and wait here, while this guy goes here", and the entire plan just totally works. What bothers me about CP gain is that DOS is actually fully capable of winning matches and listening to orders, but it can never be a replacement for our low population, so we may never actually get anywhere.

Oh hey Regeneration is in the Top 10s, that hasn't happened for a while.

Hmmm.. was thinking about something else.

In a normal arena match, let's say one side completely folds and gets Negative CP for the faction. I wonder if that loss is reflected in the clan CP totals or not.

>IronDicks

Reminds me of early Official when there was a much larger population gap than there is now.
WIZ - Had so many people that CP was flooding in from 100% WIZ shuffle rooms. Skilled players in WIZ cared for Epoch, but they were often outnumbered by idiots who don't know what to do and hand the game over.
BRD - A bunch of skilled players moved here from Beta WIZ, started robbing CP from WIZ and DOS through Epoch. Sometimes edged out first by robbing like mad.
DOS - Lowest population, plus the feeding Lagtinos. Pretty much always last as they can't farm for CP and get robbed in Epoch. I have always had respect for the skilled players here who try so hard carry the faction.

A year later, the picture seems more like this:
WIZ - Population has dropped, but it's still the highest of all three factions. CP farming has reduced so Epoch HAS to be fought for. Thankfully, some of the pubs have learned the right thing to do, but it's not enough in my opinion.
BRD - Gained the Lagging Indo population, who provides CP farming as they lagshield around like bastards. If the skilled players consistently show up for Epoch and WIZ doesn't defend, BRD will get first. If the Indos join an Epoch battle, skilled players in or not, it's quite often a guaranteed loss for BRD because they don't listen or coordinate with others.
DOS - Nothing has really changed.

I am quite certain that losing Epoch does not reduce your CP.

Allow me to provide my theory on this.

Rather than CP going down, it's more of a matter of how they assign CP points to the clans in the list. Rather than giving the CP by player, what the system does is that it gives points to all the participating clans in the room. Meaning if you won and the CP gain is +50, all clans within that room gain 50CP. I can't say for sure whether or not this gain is multiplied by having multiple members in one room but my guess is that it doesn't. This creates a sort of overlap on CP, which is where your supposedly ghost CP comes from. Since the Union CP is only given once per round while you could have multiple instances of CP gain spread over different clans, the Union CP would be the CP gain of all the clans, minus off the overlapping points.

To put it in a less theoretical way, lets say there's a match where Clan A and Clan B are fighting against another Union. They won the match, and the result page shows a +110CP. The Union gets 110CP, Clan A and B gets 110CP also. When you add up the CP of both Clan A and Clan B, you get 220CP, which is above the Union's CP, due to that duplication.

This is according to my observations on weekly CP, Union CP, number of members within a clan, and how well they would do on average. This theory would explain as to why low/mid-tier clans, especially those with a larger population, can actually earn a larger amount of CP compared to smaller high-tier clans.

LOL the answer to the question is just simple....

WIZ have a lot more of PPLS and Clans, then when you sum all them.. u get a bigger amount of CP...

The TOP 10 clans just show the top 10 hahahah

DOS have less ppls and the most active ppls are in the Clan that are in the top 10.. that is the reason for that clans to have that amount of CP...
but probably just that clans in the top 10 are the ones gathering CP for DOS.. but in WIZ you have like 100 clan gathering CP... if 100 clan get 1000 each one that is 100.000 cp! lol

Let me just say, some people fail to realize the actual point of discussion.

Alpherior wrote:

Could someone please explain how exactly CP works, and how just the top 10 DOS clans from the list have MORE CP than our supposed total CP? I just don't fully understand how the system works.

Fairly easy topic to spot, don't know why people have to talk about WIZ scoring more CP than other unions which is more or less just stating the obvious rather than explaining anything we don't already know.

So, let's ignore DerpChucky and get back on topic, shall we?

Flandyrll wrote:

tl;dr: Flandryll's CP duplication theory.

It's plausible, but I think that would duplicate too much if you take it to an extreme.

Let's say it's 30v30 and 30 different clans participate, 1 person from each clan. At the end of the battle, the faction is awarded 100CP and EACH CLAN is awarded 100CP. The total across these clans is 3000CP while the faction only gains 100CP. The gap between Faction CP and individual Clan CP becomes much too wide, way wider than the DOS example in Alpherior's example.

So that would explain why lunar storm got 170 k br, more or less the brd total br/2 one week, they where fighting in the same rooms

Umm... I'm not sire if this is right but doesn't a planet in epoch give 10K CP? I took a screenie once when there was a glitch that DOS ha all the planets. =3

DavidRain wrote:

Umm... I'm not sire if this is right but doesn't a planet in epoch give 10K CP? I took a screenie once when there was a glitch that DOS ha all the planets. =3

That or 5k.

My guessing : people do cheats by using another com to feed.

The possible answer : WIZ is just too popular.

Tips to find out : be a spy *w*

SovereignX wrote:

My guessing : people do cheats by using another com to feed.

The possible answer : WIZ is just too popular.

Tips to find out : be a spy *w*

That's just stupid. WIZ is winning because of the lack of players in BRD and DOS.

Still, what does this have to do with Clan CP Contribution listing? Whether legit or not, it doesn't explain exactly how CP is calculated and distributed for the Clan list. I'm still sticking to my CP duplication theory since a loophole in it hasn't been apparent. There could be a way its calculated, like distributing based on a percentage but ultimately, some CP distribution is overlapped and duplicated.

I swear, this thread is a retard magnet from the title.

Flandyrll wrote:

SovereignX wrote:

My guessing : people do cheats by using another com to feed.

The possible answer : WIZ is just too popular.

Tips to find out : be a spy *w*

That's just stupid. WIZ is winning because of the lack of players in BRD and DOS.

Still, what does this have to do with Clan CP Contribution listing? Whether legit or not, it doesn't explain exactly how CP is calculated and distributed for the Clan list. I'm still sticking to my CP duplication theory since a loophole in it hasn't been apparent. There could be a way its calculated, like distributing based on a percentage but ultimately, some CP distribution is overlapped and duplicated.

I swear, this thread is a retard magnet from the title.

People should actually read the contents of my post before assuming it has to do with what they expect it does.