"Sleeper" top-tier bots/weapons

Fireflywater wrote:

Hound Dog AM.

Faaaaaaaaaabulous starter for a combo.
Faaaaaaaaaabulous sidearm for gunners.

Also tends to rip off parts in short order

Etherlight wrote:

Not possible how? The duration is the same, the cooldown is the same, and yet the time required to launch is less so aiming and timing the launch is easier. Never mind that an intrepid hopper or melee could easily rush you and stun your ass out of the barrier shot with blast weapons/pumpguns, melee bits, or just straight up melee, or blast railguns, and that attempting to use the barrier shot triggers a universal cooldown on subweapons that is approximately the length of the barrier shot duration. Congratulations, you just failed to cover yourself.

not possible because the ball moves so fast, its impacting and disappearing in most cases before the interval allows you to use another subweapon
you can only use it with a completly charged ball at maximum range - and this would move the balls barrier to a distance that has no more use for you
shooting is slightly faster now (for charged balls, uncharged balls are superfast) i agree with that and said so from the beginning, aiming however wasnt made easier
they gave it the standard subweapon tracking for your bot, this results possible turnarounds if an enemy is to close (usually you shouldnt use barriershoot in that situation, but i heard some people play without broad radar)

Etherlight wrote:

If you did not notice, shell based weapons damage everything equally, and with the amount of force and stun you can deliver with Ion, there's no reason anymore to take a bazooka specifically for airs.

first you whine about it being to hard to hit aris with the old grenade arc, now you whine because using a weapon that would have solved her only problem easily because her weapon was effective against air to begin with

make up your mind

Etherlight wrote:

How are you not able to fight enemies in the middle of Divided River, especially if you're not retarded and are using Ion as a hopper? It's not very high or difficult to reach. At best you can't drop shells onto the high cliffs by the middle PS position, from right under the cliffs...in exchange for being able to hit pretty much anything else at a much higher rate. If you just backed up for more distance however, you can still drop shells all over the top with blind fire instead of playing herp derp howitzer mindset from under the cliff. Strangely enough, attacking from farther away gives you more room to dodge and stay out of trouble. Making it easier and more effective overall is not buffing it? I've heard more ridiculous statements before, I suppose. Nothing comes to mind at the moment though.

attacking from further away doesnt give you more room to dodge, it gives you the need to dodge - thats a difference
the point of throwing the bullets up to the powerspot area is valid though

Etherlight wrote:

The concept of a large window of opportunity for being stunned, among other things, is very hard to understand I see.

if the enemy is at your position, you dont need to advance, either way you reached your goal to get the bubble to the front
bonus points if your there with a mate playing a winberrl

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I've heard more ridiculous statements before, I suppose. Nothing comes to mind at the moment though.

many things sound ridiculous if you just look at the written text

[- Rouche HD/HD2's BARRIER SHOOT: The first shot in a combo will now cause Rouche to face her target. The first shot will also be fired faster, and projectile speed of all shots has been increased.]faster barriershot sounds cool but its not (projectile speed), the aiming help is also everything but good

ions changes sounded majorly cool ... until you see that the arc was almost completly removed (who would have guessed that [- Ion BD@'s WATER BAZOOKA: Arc of the shots has been modified, and projectile speed increased.] translates into an almost complete loss of said arc, if they just buffed projectile speed, it would be a major buff while keeping the weapons properties)

if ion 's water bazooka can splash in mid air it gonna be OP
wwww

Who to believe? Ether or aurum?
Tough choice
Yeah, I'm pretty sure 99% of the cb population would take ether's word over aurums

xzpwnz wrote:

Who to believe? Ether or aurum?
Tough choice
Yeah, I'm pretty sure 99% of the cb population would take ether's word for it over aurums

listening to someone who doesnt even have those bots is a joke.
but pretty sure theres at least 5% of derps who would believe the latter :3

Intet wrote:

Fireflywater wrote:

Hound Dog AM.

Faaaaaaaaaabulous starter for a combo.
Faaaaaaaaaabulous sidearm for gunners.

Also tends to rip off parts in short order

It hits a lot in a short time too, good for slow tunes and stuff, like adone legs.

its not a matter of "who to believe" its a matter of how ( and if ) you utilize the features a bot offers

its easy to understand the disagreement on ion changes, seeing as ion actually had a really useful trade in abilitys, that doesnt go for rouche though

if people bothered using barriershot more before the patch they would instantly see how the "buff" of BULLETSPEED impacted the ability, sadly, they are happy with it being degraded to a bigger version of rouche am

and rinrin, i can understand that xz writes against me is backed up by his knowledge of game mechanics and his usually helpful comments if someone bothers to ask him (though, hes kind of on a high horse lately)

you however, usually dont contribute anything of value to the threads that include any info of gameplay - and oh boy, pity those who point it out, as you are an established member of the community

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anyways, you all can be happy
i will stop to disrupt your peace here
there is no point in argueing with people that dont see the usefulness of stuff thats not easy to use

>Kind of
>Lately
Lol

xzpwnz wrote:

>Kind of
>Lately
Lol

ye, might just have been my perception, maybe you always where that arrogant, guess your just showing it more the last month or so :p

xz should play sdgo so I can kill him in it .

boytitan2 wrote:

xz should play sdgo so I can kill him in it .

December 1st
Xz wants to play firefall though

xzpwnz wrote:

boytitan2 wrote:

xz should play sdgo so I can kill him in it .

December 1st
Xz wants to play firefall though

Get me beta key beta keys no like me =(. I never get em.

Aurum, I see you belong to the 'criticism is a personal attack on me' school of thought. In addition, you seem to have a lot of trouble with understanding and using vocabulary correctly, reading comprehension, and making rational arguments. Do try to work on those abilities, they are rather useful to have.

As for your statements, it's enough to make one wonder if you actually have and play either Ion or Rouche.

Etherlight wrote:

Aurum, I see you belong to the 'criticism is a personal attack on me' school of thought. In addition, you seem to have a lot of trouble with understanding and using vocabulary correctly, reading comprehension, and making rational arguments. Do try to work on those abilities, they are rather useful to have.

As for your statements, it's enough to make one wonder if you actually have and play either Ion or Rouche.

what makes you think that i feel attacked by you ? O_O

and what makes you think that i do not understand what you write?

ye, i do have a weakness in chosing words, its not my mothers tongue and normal my english is good enough to get others to understand it, i had no need to master it, so mistakes are a given (call me lazy if you want to)

as i said, before: i can see why people disagree heavily with me on ion, seeing as the change definatly had major value to her (while cutting away the old weapon properties)

however, considering barriershot as "buffed" when it was much more >useful< (not >easy to use< like it is now) before is beyond me
what they did is fitting it into the role that was filled out by rouche am allready, there never was a need to give it that same role and the old barriershot had much better barrier characteristics

Aurum_Sol wrote:

and rinrin, you however, usually dont contribute anything of value to the threads that include any info of gameplay - and oh boy, pity those who point it out, as you are an established member of the community

ahue.
aurum so funny but not funny enuf.

Etherlight wrote:

As for your statements, it's enough to make one wonder if you actually have and play either Ion or Rouche.

he probably doesnt.
he tends to comment on stuff he hasnt actually tried out.

@Aurum_Sol - I'm not trying to be a dick or anything but it might be better if you stay quiet and stop arguing.

idk about ion 's old ver of water bazooka, but with the new ver hitting some AG around the weapon 's range is not too hard

Etherlight wrote:

Aurum, I see you belong to the 'criticism is a personal attack on me' school of thought. In addition, you seem to have a lot of trouble with understanding and using vocabulary correctly, reading comprehension, and making rational arguments. Do try to work on those abilities, they are rather useful to have.

As for your statements, it's enough to make one wonder if you actually have and play either Ion or Rouche.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Im sorry but your a NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

Anyways lock this thread its going no were no ones gona listen to each other, Plus this nerd war is making me vomit.

nope

thread stays open, maybe if op requested it

though the thread could use alot less my opinion > your opinion

Lol
Thread was pointless in the first place
Everything's subjective

LXE wrote:

@Aurum_Sol - I'm not trying to be a dick or anything but it might be better if you stay quiet and stop arguing.

i planned on doing that (hence i wrote it), however, with ether pulling out the "you cant comprehend what i write" i didnt really feel like it anymore

Geminion twins. Both of them have amazing core weapons, and have a small hitbox and decent mobility to boot.

Let's see..what else. Tarantulic for best UC support bot ever; a core that will stop those meddling bum rushers, one of the smallest hitboxes in the game, and can be gotten in 3s.

what does the L one do besides debuffing boostdrain ?

has a blaster arm and uhh

yeah

also as this thread's op, don't lock it
it could have some potentially interesting discussion

oh fuck you all. derailing threads is MY job. And at least derail it correctly.

@THREAD
BRICKGALES ARE AWESOME KTHXBAI

IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, having played bricks for quite some time, I'm impressed by RED's rifle still doing its job pretty decently. It's sad that people just stick the BS to moebots while the bots themselves are perfectly serviceable.