"Sleeper" top-tier bots/weapons

Aurum_Sol wrote:

ion lost the ability to shoot people that are on a higher level of terrain that normal weapons cant hit, this is bad for ion, because she is strongest in water areas, which usually are on the lowest level

she got stronger on normal terrain though, but for that i can choose any random bot


rouche barrier shot was a nice SLOW ball you could use to clear the way of bullets when setting up your wonderbit further in enemy direction, good luck with that with the new FAST ball
basically, it was a GREAT supportweapon and is now a medicrare damage weapon with some support ability

the change nerfed her trolling ability on divided river big times ._.

If you wanna arc shots at things you don't have line of sight, maybe the old arc was preferable. Ion is better able to engage higher altitude targets now (read: airs); trying to hit anything above you was pretty much a no go with the old projectile. You can still arc shots over the edge of cliffs, you just can't be a scrub howitzer wannabe anymore.

As for Rouche, the old slowass ball never got anywhere past your face if someone was shooting at you or if it clipped someone that moved near your line of fire while you were winding up the attack, allowing explosive type projectiles to still splash you. This is before considering if the enemy didn't already stun your ass out of the slow starting animation that left you horribly vulnerable to anything and everything.

The new version is way more useful since it:
a) starts up faster, so you're more likely to actually get the shot off and it's less risky to attempt a shot
b) moves faster, so it is more likely to detonate the projectiles farther away from you and your team.
c) more likely to actually do some damage while still using the properties of the projectile effectively

What kind of a leap in logic did it take for you to assume that being completely inferior in every aspect of performance is superior?

Your use of the phrase 'trolling ability' to describe the fact that Ion is most versatile and powerful when it comes to maps with a great deal of water says a great deal.

Ion's bazooka feels like a bazooka (albeit one with one or two grenade properties) instead of a grenade now. Big deal.

ok lets start it slowly:

if your under a existing rouche barrier you where able to cast your charged up barrierball, fire it in the direction you WANT it to go, follow it, place new bit

this is NOT possible anymore

old barriershoot was a GREAT skill if used >properly< (no, standing in the middle of nowwhere, chargin up some balls and throwin at some bullshit enemys is not properly using the old balls)

the new barriershoot is a shortterm bulletblock when the old one was a long term bulletblock

the plus with the change is the uncharged barriershot being usable like you suggested for instant bulletsoaking ... which is the job of rouche am anyways

its not a buff to take away a tool and giving the bot a tool it allready has in a bigger size (since barriershot now has almost the same use as the AMs have), so how >could< you even consider this a buff

as for ion:
waterbazooka is shellbased afaik, this suggests taking a bazooka vs air ... or just practice the grenade arc until you CAN hit airs with it, since the weapon is was much easier to work around the aiming correction, its also possible to abuse this to get the bullets where you want them to
with "trolling ability" i refered to abusing ions strengh while still being able to attack a great deal of enemy side, which was possible thanks to the old grenade arc, with the new low arc you can only hit people standing near a high cliff or people that are not so much higher than your own ground level (this means you can effectively fight the sides but not the middle of the enemy area, where it was possible to do this before the change

or in short:
making a bot easier to use doesnt equal buffing it

unlike elisa that became easier to use and arguably stronger (no more aura management, faster knockback instead of root since teammates usually never made use of the root anyways)

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This is before considering if the enemy didn't already stun your ass out of the slow starting animation that left you horribly vulnerable to anything and everything.

am i really reading this ?

Katalina.

She is the slayer of big bots.

Arti wrote:

Basically, ITT we post bots/weapons that are OP but nobody realizes it

Feng Mei, for one.

Feng mei sucks. And 99% if bots arent op there just high tier feng mei is niether.

boytitan2 wrote:

Arti wrote:

Basically, ITT we post bots/weapons that are OP but nobody realizes it

Feng Mei, for one.

Feng mei sucks. And 99% if bots arent op there just high tier feng mei is niether.

You're nuts. You have obviously never seen a decent Feng Mei player fight before, they are annoying as all holy fuck.
To give you a good idea of how annoying they are, whenever I play Feng Mei-CHAN, I usually deal at least 600+ damage. That's just spamming the fuck out of Windslicers.

Now take that, and multiply it for a normal Feng Mei.


Back on topic:

I feel like Mach Knight Ace is underrated, hardly see any of em in Arena. 20 FLY core is nuts, fricken Cyclotes tier except it's FLY-based.
I got him to 34 FLY using a +5 FLY tuned Seraph Crim LG and a couple of ACs, and his TEC isn't shabby either. If you keep his LG on, you get an instant 34 Force, fag-tier AoE, beam damage ATG missile that also makes you slightly more difficult to hit when launching. His parts aren't bad, haven't looked at em.
His LGs also fold up in flight, which is nice because they're quite the hitbox extension on the ground.

boytitan2 wrote:

Arti wrote:

Basically, ITT we post bots/weapons that are OP but nobody realizes it

Feng Mei, for one.

Feng mei sucks. And 99% if bots arent op there just high tier feng mei is niether.

You haven't seen someone spam wind like no tomorrow have you Miki?

FireKiller87 wrote:

boytitan2 wrote:

Arti wrote:

Basically, ITT we post bots/weapons that are OP but nobody realizes it

Feng Mei, for one.

Feng mei sucks. And 99% if bots arent op there just high tier feng mei is niether.

You're nuts. You have obviously never seen a decent Feng Mei player fight before, they are annoying as all holy fuck.
To give you a good idea of how annoying they are, whenever I play Feng Mei-CHAN, I usually deal at least 600+ damage. That's just spamming the fuck out of Windslicers.

Now take that, and multiply it for a normal Feng Mei.


Back on topic:

I feel like Mach Knight Ace is underrated, hardly see any of em in Arena. 20 FLY core is nuts, fricken Cyclotes tier except it's FLY-based.
I got him to 34 FLY using a +5 FLY tuned Seraph Crim LG and a couple of ACs, and his TEC isn't shabby either. If you keep his LG on, you get an instant 34 Force, fag-tier AoE, beam damage ATG missile that also makes you slightly more difficult to hit when launching. His parts aren't bad, haven't looked at em.
His LGs also fold up in flight, which is nice because they're quite the hitbox extension on the ground.

when i see any of the top clans top players useing feing. I GO YAY FREE FRAG.

U think mynight ace leg with that high ass intent and stupid animation is high tier so u are a fu.cking dumb ass thus opinion never counds you always are and will be a noob so STOP REPLYING TO WHAT I SAY IM GETTING TIRED OF HAVING TO CORRET YOUR STUPIDITY.

Aegis wrote:

boytitan2 wrote:

Arti wrote:

Basically, ITT we post bots/weapons that are OP but nobody realizes it

Feng Mei, for one.

Feng mei sucks. And 99% if bots arent op there just high tier feng mei is niether.

You haven't seen someone spam wind like no tomorrow have you Miki?

you havent seen my alba steam roll feing meis. Only airs that live to get away from my ablas have seraph wings or shaden bs. And some achans can escape sometimes barely. Other than that there food.

Right.

Alba is an ART that steamrolls all over AIR in general.

Now imagine if you were a Lagkun, fat LND, super fat ART.

Or actually almost any LND in general.

Aegis wrote:

Right.

Alba is an ART that steamrolls all over AIR in general.

Now imagine if you were a Lagkun, fat LND, super fat ART.

Or actually almost any LND in general.

My geo bunker doesent even view as a trheat has killed feng meis after buffs in 1vs1 fights.

THats a fat land right.

Stop trying to argue with Boytitan about if a bot is better. Even if you run his ass through with it, he'll just go "BUT IT STILL SUCKS/IS HARDER TO USE/I AM TOO UNSKILLED TO UTILIZE IT/OMG LAG."

And Titan, stop your petty insults and trashing the forum with your double-posting. Your non-existent Grammar is annoying enough as-is.

And yes, consider this a fair warning.

Shaftronics wrote:

Stop trying to argue with Boytitan about if a bot is better. Even if you run his ass through with it, he'll just go "BUT IT STILL SUCKS/IS HARDER TO USE/I AM TOO UNSKILLED TO UTILIZE IT/OMG LAG."

First off I dont use most moebots there are few exceptions. Second off It has nthn to do with need skill its a bad bot with low capa,3rd off They have not stated one fact that its good except it can kill derp jikun users. Air with mini zook would rofl pwn it. I have a whole plethora of arts that can kill it also.CBJP doesent use the junk.

I bet you haven't noticed there's completely nothing stopping a Feng Mei player from using Prop Bits and a Mini Bazooka of its own. Moot point over there, considering that statement can apply go almost any Air in the game.

A Feng Mei is simply not a "DPS" build, unlike most of yours. It actually does more than that. Feng Mei was annoying enough before the buff. Now its actually something you'd want to shoot down and not ignore due to the sheer annoyance of constant damage, if not stunning she will provide to your sorry ass.

I don't care whether anything's a moebot or not; If its stats, sub-weapons and playstyle are good, it works.

well uh, to be honest, I don't see many good feng mei players. Most feng mei users can't hit my gwyain.

Speaking of that, gwyain is also pretty cool. The core weapon is great for close range, add stardust cannon and go on a bombing spree.

necrio wrote:

well uh, to be honest, I don't see many good feng mei players. Most feng mei users can't hit my gwyain.

Speaking of that, gwyain is also pretty cool. The core weapon is great for close range, add stardust cannon and go on a bombing spree.

disks suck at hitting anything thats not on the ground

Aurum_Sol wrote:

ok lets start it slowly:

if your under a existing rouche barrier you where able to cast your charged up barrierball, fire it in the direction you WANT it to go, follow it, place new bit

this is NOT possible anymore

old barriershoot was a GREAT skill if used >properly< (no, standing in the middle of nowwhere, chargin up some balls and throwin at some bullshit enemys is not properly using the old balls)

the new barriershoot is a shortterm bulletblock when the old one was a long term bulletblock

the plus with the change is the uncharged barriershot being usable like you suggested for instant bulletsoaking ... which is the job of rouche am anyways

its not a buff to take away a tool and giving the bot a tool it allready has in a bigger size (since barriershot now has almost the same use as the AMs have), so how >could< you even consider this a buff

Not possible how? The duration is the same, the cooldown is the same, and yet the time required to launch is less so aiming and timing the launch is easier. Never mind that an intrepid hopper or melee could easily rush you and stun your ass out of the barrier shot with blast weapons/pumpguns, melee bits, or just straight up melee, or blast railguns, and that attempting to use the barrier shot triggers a universal cooldown on subweapons that is approximately the length of the barrier shot duration. Congratulations, you just failed to cover yourself.

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as for ion:
waterbazooka is shellbased afaik, this suggests taking a bazooka vs air

If you did not notice, shell based weapons damage everything equally, and with the amount of force and stun you can deliver with Ion, there's no reason anymore to take a bazooka specifically for airs.

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... or just practice the grenade arc until you CAN hit airs with it, since the weapon is was much easier to work around the aiming correction, its also possible to abuse this to get the bullets where you want them to
with "trolling ability" i refered to abusing ions strengh while still being able to attack a great deal of enemy side, which was possible thanks to the old grenade arc, with the new low arc you can only hit people standing near a high cliff or people that are not so much higher than your own ground level (this means you can effectively fight the sides but not the middle of the enemy area, where it was possible to do this before the change

or in short:
making a bot easier to use doesnt equal buffing it

unlike elisa that became easier to use and arguably stronger (no more aura management, faster knockback instead of root since teammates usually never made use of the root anyways)

How are you not able to fight enemies in the middle of Divided River, especially if you're not retarded and are using Ion as a hopper? It's not very high or difficult to reach. At best you can't drop shells onto the high cliffs by the middle PS position, from right under the cliffs...in exchange for being able to hit pretty much anything else at a much higher rate. If you just backed up for more distance however, you can still drop shells all over the top with blind fire instead of playing herp derp howitzer mindset from under the cliff. Strangely enough, attacking from farther away gives you more room to dodge and stay out of trouble. Making it easier and more effective overall is not buffing it? I've heard more ridiculous statements before, I suppose. Nothing comes to mind at the moment though.

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oh, btw:

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This is before considering if the enemy didn't already stun your ass out of the slow starting animation that left you horribly vulnerable to anything and everything.

am i really reading this ?

The concept of a large window of opportunity for being stunned, among other things, is very hard to understand I see.

Why try?
I've already given up on the idea of trying to get an idiot to understand

xzpwnz wrote:

Why try?
I've already given up on the idea of trying to get an idiot to understand

Rofl.

Anyways the lack of ghost raider 117 makes sense cause that thing needs lots of tuneing. And a tuned mini zook core is not for air on air fights.

Double bazooka

Abt Feng:

- Shitty capa if u decide to tune her wp
- Shitty homing disk(not the windwhirl)
- Shitty ammo if u decide to tune her wp
- Shitty tgh
- As long as u not on the ground, u are safe
- As long as u hop (with quick jump), u are safe
- As long as u climb up the hill with certain speed, u are safe(windwhirl cant climb up the hill)
- Never run straight when a feng chasing u, even a red tier cant escape
- Even after wind blow got buffed, the delay time when u fall back after casting still long enuff to be stunned and drop
- Wind shield can block everything, unless the blast is big enuff to go through shield(like a mini-short time ver of balth's shield).

TL;DR: IMO, windwhirl is OP, not feng.

Dunno what kind of Fengs you guys met in arena but the bot itself is far from being useless.

Useless the dumb people who can't handle anything that it's not a Seraph/AG/Vector.

tggt wrote:

Abt Feng:

- Shitty capa if u decide to tune her wp
- Shitty homing disk(not the windwhirl)
- Shitty ammo if u decide to tune her wp
- Shitty tgh
- As long as u not on the ground, u are safe
- As long as u hop (with quick jump), u are safe
- As long as u climb up the hill with certain speed, u are safe(windwhirl cant climb up the hill)
- Never run straight when a feng chasing u, even a red tier cant escape
- Even after wind blow got buffed, the delay time when u fall back after casting still long enuff to be stunned and drop
- Wind shield can block everything, unless the blast is big enuff to go through shield(like a mini-short time ver of balth's shield).

TL;DR: IMO, windwhirl is OP, not feng.

I LOVE U MAN. But as the post above me points out cben dont read.

Feng does one thing really well; troll people on the ground, and tends to do everything else sub par. She's an excellent counter pick when the other team wants to spam lands.

Hound Dog AM.

Faaaaaaaaaabulous starter for a combo.
Faaaaaaaaaabulous sidearm for gunners.

Feng's wind blow is the only thing of her i love to use, not for herself but for supporting/trolling teammate(make a quick route for fat land, PS breaker, blow ppl to pit, cactus...;3)

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