Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?

Nerf biker. I hear this a lot but what exactly would you nerf? Speed is their gimmick. how do you nerf that? what exactly do you want nerfed is the better question.

there's a several options:

1. increase the boost gauge consumption so they have to retreat more often.
this decreases their threat level and lowers the amount of damage they put out and the disruption they cause. I think this is the best and easiest way to nerf them.

2. make it so that when they hit something with the collision damage, they slow down.
3. make their melee attacks have more vulnerability when they perform them. Make they charge cannons give pushback that slows them when they fire as well.
Both of these "slow them down" without affecting their movement speed. They make it easier to hit them and make the player think more about when they will use their weapons rather than just ignoring everything and driving around without caring what is shooting them.

4. reduce their damage
this is the easy way out. It's too strong? make it do less damage. not suggested.

TGH reduction while running is also a good suggestion for biker nerfs.

My idea to nerf bikes: remove the default bonus speed+infinite boost gauge+collision damage, add a sub weapon that after activated will give them the above effects (can either be limited time of usage, or HP consuming like Eve), last for x seconds.

I agree with that as long as Baller isn't touched.

Baller should be touched with those as well anyways because it can be just as disruptive against heal bubblers.

fggt wrote:

My idea to nerf bikes: remove the default bonus speed+infinite boost gauge+collision damage, add a sub weapon that after activated will give them the above effects (can either be limited time of usage, or HP consuming like Eve), last for x seconds.

have they ever added a weapon to something already released before?

fggt wrote:

My idea to nerf bikes: remove the default bonus speed+infinite boost gauge+collision damage, add a sub weapon that after activated will give them the above effects (can either be limited time of usage, or HP consuming like Eve), last for x seconds.

Roll a bike and you will change your mind. The infinite boost is the best part.

Winty wrote:

have they ever added a weapon to something already released before?

Anko got that main weapon Bamboo Launcher from her most recent buff.

Ballers are extremely vulnerable to melee and thorn binds.  It's hard to think of them as being OP.

I'm still extremely dumbfounded as to how Wonder Balancer Works...

How does it work on bombed STR/TEC? Does it double the duration of a bit with bombed stats or does it double the STANDARD duration of the bit?

Second, I've been hearing about this a lot, but does Wonder Balancer RETURN THE ORIGINAL DURATION of the bit?

Another one (I don't know where this came from) is that it simply returns the bombed stat to 1 in terms of the bit.

plis halp

negative with wonder balancer is nowhere near as 1_40 splits but is noticeably better than negative splits without wonder balancer.

MegaManZX wrote:

fggt wrote:

My idea to nerf bikes: remove the default bonus speed+infinite boost gauge+collision damage, add a sub weapon that after activated will give them the above effects (can either be limited time of usage, or HP consuming like Eve), last for x seconds.

Roll a bike and you will change your mind. The infinite boost is the best part.

>Implying I dont have one.

if it's the best part it's what needs to be addressed before anything else.

At last.

Winty wrote:

if it's the best part it's what needs to be addressed before anything else.

It's also the thing that makes them unique and fun which is why it shouldn't be touched.

I think the best thing to do would be to just take away the frontal shield damage reduction thing. It's easy enough to kill bikers with melee but if I want to play anything else it can be difficult to stop them from farming my team because my gun hits for like 7s

Nice farming fggt.

started tidying my garages. This is going to take longer than a scheduled MNT

hannahberry wrote:

Winty wrote:

if it's the best part it's what needs to be addressed before anything else.

It's also the thing that makes them unique and fun which is why it shouldn't be touched.

I think the best thing to do would be to just take away the frontal shield damage reduction thing. It's easy enough to kill bikers with melee but if I want to play anything else it can be difficult to stop them from farming my team because my gun hits for like 7s

none of the suggestions were to take away their uniqueness, just to some sort of limit on it.

Shance wrote:

I'm still extremely dumbfounded as to how Wonder Balancer Works...

How does it work on bombed STR/TEC? Does it double the duration of a bit with bombed stats or does it double the STANDARD duration of the bit?

Second, I've been hearing about this a lot, but does Wonder Balancer RETURN THE ORIGINAL DURATION of the bit?

Another one (I don't know where this came from) is that it simply returns the bombed stat to 1 in terms of the bit.

plis halp

Let me pull this table I made back when the tune came out testing with my Cannonballer:

1 STR, 40 TEC, no Balancer -> ~54 seconds of AURA (I can't remember the exact but it's withn 52-56)
10 STR, 11 TEC, no Balancer -> 76 seconds of AURA
0 STR, 40 TEC, no Balancer -> 14 seconds of AURA
1 STR, 40 TEC, Balancer -> 76 seconds of AURA
0 STR, 40 TEC, Balancer -> 22 seconds of AURA

Some WB have shorter uptime than others, but the modifiers all work roughly the same. 10/10 stats will always be a longer period of time than a 1/40 array, so Balancer will always be an improvement unless you have stronger balance than 10/10 offers (40/40 is roughly triple the bonus time that 10/10 offers, to give a sense of scale).

With 0'd stats, it's mostly not useful to bother with Wonder Balancer. The exceptions include Wolfraid/Pushpaka where it goes from "Does nothing" to "Does something" which is less than the full something of actual stats but still is enough to actually do a lot of power. Maybe others but not a lot of people science this.

Wonder Balancer has no effect on bits that don't scale, whether or not you 0'd a stat (yes I tried looking for a loophole for doubling their duration).

fggt wrote:

At last.

$3k wu@

Winty wrote:

dark hide isn't even that good. She can't even jump while invisible, and she can't hop, so she can't hit anything that isn't on the ground. She can't defend herself, and if she takes enough damage she drops out of it. It's been years since dark hide was actually broken. It's an interesting mechanic but going glint has been better ever since 7/19/2012.
"Wing defense" is the same "hold primary fire to get shield" that half the modern melees have access to. Dark hide eris gets all guard during it but it's still basically the same old shit. The ones that don't have that usually have a main weapon that allows them to stun things from a distance. Some things even have both these days. Eris is only strong because she can get a lot of stats.

Then lets give all robots in game hide so they can go invisible when about to die and wings to defend.

Since those are totally not good.

someone01 wrote:

Winty wrote:

dark hide isn't even that good. She can't even jump while invisible, and she can't hop, so she can't hit anything that isn't on the ground. She can't defend herself, and if she takes enough damage she drops out of it. It's been years since dark hide was actually broken. It's an interesting mechanic but going glint has been better ever since 7/19/2012.
"Wing defense" is the same "hold primary fire to get shield" that half the modern melees have access to. Dark hide eris gets all guard during it but it's still basically the same old shit. The ones that don't have that usually have a main weapon that allows them to stun things from a distance. Some things even have both these days. Eris is only strong because she can get a lot of stats.

Then lets give all robots in game hide so they can go invisible when about to die and wings to defend.

Since those are totally not good.

Her dark hide has its strengths and drawbacks.

Same with Eris herself.

You just refuse to see the drawbacks (which were elaborated upon in Winty's post) and complain. You are like the spokesperson for all CBEN pubbies.

someone01 wrote:

Then lets give all robots in game hide so they can go invisible when about to die and wings to defend.

Since those are totally not good.

you fucking read? most melee already have something that does the same shit as wings.
if we gave everyone dark hide I honestly wouldn't give a fuck because honestly
it's not that good

so yeah. let's do it. It wouldn't make any difference. I've described to you the weakness of these things repeatedly.

The only reason most people are even going back to using dark hide is that they can active hide during last stand invulnerability frames and then try to run away but 50% of the time someone will just AoE them down anyway since have the shit in the game has strong AoE attacks which are really good at fucking over dark hide.

here lemme fucking list off as many melees as I can that have a main weapon that blocks bullets and gives them CV(the shit that wings does):

1. eris
2. sylvia
3. elisalotte glanz
4. prome
5. Lunastacia
6. sylvia paladin
7. killica(hers has additional functions)
8. captain sunny
9. corona
10. lumeria(this isn't even a fucking melee)
11. ouka scarlet
12. ouka BF
13. Kuhl(hers has additional functions)
14. mikoto
15. vanessa
16. meisen kaede
17. abyss jikun hu
18. Alcy(this is a fucking air)

if I wanted to go through the garapon history and remember every fucking melee that has this feature the list would be a lot longer, I'm pretty sure I could get over 30.

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