Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?

Ice barrier is not that different from healing arrow if you see it as preventing hp lost as compared to healing arrow's recovering lost hp, just need more foresight to cast it on whoever that is will be getting pummeled.

Mie wrote:

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Melfi can't shit out damage but can still support just fine = Trash

At least she can use a bit. : )

Can she support just fine?
Never said she was trash, never said I needed to out damage with her.
Get your shit straight.

Rone is a better support than her in the front line.

Repair bit sucks.

You pretty much implied it rather hard.

I also like how you generalize sups.

uzermane wrote:

Ice barrier is not that different from healing arrow if you see it as preventing hp lost as compared to healing arrow's recovering lost hp, just need more foresight to cast it on whoever that is getting pummeled.

the only thing is that it only lasts for one hit, so the shield isn't very reliable compared to healing arrows.
Not only that, but since the shield only applies to one hit, you're more likely to block one attack that deals at the minimum 20 damage in a meta game that is littered with alpha strikers and multi hit melee attacks, which is significantly worse than having a healing arrow that heals a static 100HP.

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Mie wrote:

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Melfi can't shit out damage but can still support just fine = Trash

At least she can use a bit. : )

Can she support just fine?
Never said she was trash, never said I needed to out damage with her.
Get your shit straight.

Rone is a better support than her in the front line.

Repair bit sucks.

You pretty much implied it rather hard.

I also like how you generalize sups.

All I said was: ''I can't tune her, I'd rather give these tunes to Rone than FROST''.
She is just not worth -my- tunes. The tunes I've always wanted to give to my Melfis, high walk, high tec in this case, lots of hp to run and mess around in the front line with burst fire bit.

How do I generalize supports? All I did was a comparison. Melfi FROST is workable, she is fine the way she is, just not worth the trouble of tuning, that, in my eyes, would just be for survivability.

Akhenderson wrote:

uzermane wrote:

Ice barrier is not that different from healing arrow if you see it as preventing hp lost as compared to healing arrow's recovering lost hp, just need more foresight to cast it on whoever that is getting pummeled.

the only thing is that it only lasts for one hit, so the shield isn't very reliable compared to healing arrows.
Not only that, but since the shield only applies to one hit, you're more likely to block one attack that deals at the minimum 20 damage in a meta game that is littered with alpha strikers and multi hit melee attacks, which is significantly worse than having a healing arrow that heals a static 100HP.

I was going to post the same thing.

repair bit is ass please don't use repair bit

Mie wrote:

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Mie wrote:

Can she support just fine?
Never said she was trash, never said I needed to out damage with her.
Get your shit straight.

Rone is a better support than her in the front line.

Repair bit sucks.

You pretty much implied it rather hard.

I also like how you generalize sups.

All I said was: ''I can't tune her, I'd rather give these tunes to Rone than FROST''.
She is just not worth -my- tunes. The tunes I've always wanted to give to my Melfis, high walk, high tec in this case, lots of hp to run and mess around in the front line with burst fire bit.

How do I generalize supports? All I did was a comparison. Melfi FROST is workable, she is fine the way she is, just not worth the trouble of tuning, that, in my eyes, would just be for survivability.

Akhenderson wrote:

uzermane wrote:

Ice barrier is not that different from healing arrow if you see it as preventing hp lost as compared to healing arrow's recovering lost hp, just need more foresight to cast it on whoever that is getting pummeled.

the only thing is that it only lasts for one hit, so the shield isn't very reliable compared to healing arrows.
Not only that, but since the shield only applies to one hit, you're more likely to block one attack that deals at the minimum 20 damage in a meta game that is littered with alpha strikers and multi hit melee attacks, which is significantly worse than having a healing arrow that heals a static 100HP.

I was going to post the same thing.

And you compare sups with completely different purposes?

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Mie wrote:

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

You pretty much implied it rather hard.

I also like how you generalize sups.

All I said was: ''I can't tune her, I'd rather give these tunes to Rone than FROST''.
She is just not worth -my- tunes. The tunes I've always wanted to give to my Melfis, high walk, high tec in this case, lots of hp to run and mess around in the front line with burst fire bit.

How do I generalize supports? All I did was a comparison. Melfi FROST is workable, she is fine the way she is, just not worth the trouble of tuning, that, in my eyes, would just be for survivability.

Akhenderson wrote:

the only thing is that it only lasts for one hit, so the shield isn't very reliable compared to healing arrows.
Not only that, but since the shield only applies to one hit, you're more likely to block one attack that deals at the minimum 20 damage in a meta game that is littered with alpha strikers and multi hit melee attacks, which is significantly worse than having a healing arrow that heals a static 100HP.

I was going to post the same thing.

And you compare sups with completely different purposes?

What is FROST purpose? What is Rone purpose?

I compared their freaking freezing rain. Of course I can't compare Rone's buff.
My point was that why would I tune FROST for something that Rone can just do better? Or normal Melfi?

FFS, all I said is ''I can't tune her''. THAT'S IT. Nothing else. Didn't say she still can't support, didn't say she is trash.

Mie wrote:

Charz wrote:

you have neglected that Rone ice attacks need some one to understand how the things bonus and hit the targets

What?

Charz wrote:

her suport powers sure is good but due to her attacks being difficult to use at least for self defense she need some units to baby sit her and that is why i don`t see her much in arena

>attacks being difficult

What?

>self defense
Not considering her main attack.

>medic needing another medic to survive
orly?

(you are talking so much shit it hurts)

Charz wrote:

Melfi FROST however is a balanced trade off ratio ver of Rone you can dish out a good damage and you can support with heal bits and above all no baby siting  and seriously one don`t need to place 1000 plus different support buffs on the bots to be a good sup  

They took the best thing about Melfi, which is her healing arrow. Supporting with repair bit is dumb due to the fact that she -was- supposed to be front line, her arrow rain can only do good damage on the healing pile under ps since most of the time it doesn't hit anyone else alone, god knows why.

I feel more confident in tuning Rone to support in the front line than Melfi FROST.

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Edit: I'm just comparing Rone simply because of the freezing rain.
Normal Melfi supports better than FROST in every way.

when i said baby siting i meant other units land air or any thing being healed to protect her she don`t need a damn healer-don`t make up things i didn`t even say

that is the only sup i don`t see often in arena her attacks is not that great even her main wep
her selling point is the music circle she compose around herself

and i do admit that striping Melfi healing arrow is a big down side but consider the other features implemented that ver of melfi is suited more for hopping and attacking than healing being a side feature this time

you are the melfi expert after all but it is rare to see a bot that require thinking to consider downsides and build it around it she dosn`t need to be the broken melfi Heart to function think outside the box and see how you can use the new tools

also i think the arrow rain is best suited on groups just my opinion

tdlr if she dosn`t deserve your efforts and mats i don`t know why you went through the trouble of rolling for her in the first place

Mie wrote:

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Melfi can't shit out damage but can still support just fine = Trash

At least she can use a bit. : )

Can she support just fine?
Never said she was trash, never said I needed to out damage with her.
Get your shit straight.

Rone is a better support than her in the front line.

Repair bit sucks.

Have you tried the new Milfy with a Long Range Bit?.. It seems, in theory, that this would make her a little badass.. Super long range and speed buffed homing arrows and icicle rain from half a mile away.

Charz wrote:

and i do admit that striping Melfi healing arrow is a big down side but consider the other features implemented that ver of melfi is suited more for hopping and attacking than healing being a side feature this time

Every Melfi released can do what you just said.

Charz wrote:

tdlr if she dosn`t deserve your efforts and mats i don`t know why you went through the trouble of rolling for her in the first place

I love Melfis, I roll for each one of them and any support I like. Also because I thought I would be ok with her (which I am), just can't tune the way I'd like to.
I will play with her though.

AnTi90d wrote:

Mie wrote:

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Melfi can't shit out damage but can still support just fine = Trash

At least she can use a bit. : )

Can she support just fine?
Never said she was trash, never said I needed to out damage with her.
Get your shit straight.

Rone is a better support than her in the front line.

Repair bit sucks.

Have you tried the new Milfy with a Long Range Bit?.. It seems, in theory, that this would make her a little badass.. Super long range and speed buffed homing arrows and icicle rain from half a mile away.

Never considered that bit LOL I believe that homing arrows would be pretty OP yea, not sure about icicle rain. I will have to test but thanks, that actually sounds interesting... even though I still can't heal anyone.

rone only selling point is her circle... *facepalm*

Charz wrote:

Mie wrote:

Charz wrote:

you have neglected that Rone ice attacks need some one to understand how the things bonus and hit the targets

What?

Charz wrote:

her suport powers sure is good but due to her attacks being difficult to use at least for self defense she need some units to baby sit her and that is why i don`t see her much in arena

>attacks being difficult

What?

>self defense
Not considering her main attack.

>medic needing another medic to survive
orly?

(you are talking so much shit it hurts)

Charz wrote:

Melfi FROST however is a balanced trade off ratio ver of Rone you can dish out a good damage and you can support with heal bits and above all no baby siting  and seriously one don`t need to place 1000 plus different support buffs on the bots to be a good sup  

They took the best thing about Melfi, which is her healing arrow. Supporting with repair bit is dumb due to the fact that she -was- supposed to be front line, her arrow rain can only do good damage on the healing pile under ps since most of the time it doesn't hit anyone else alone, god knows why.

I feel more confident in tuning Rone to support in the front line than Melfi FROST.

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Edit: I'm just comparing Rone simply because of the freezing rain.
Normal Melfi supports better than FROST in every way.

when i said baby siting i meant other units land air or any thing being healed to protect her she don`t need a damn healer-don`t make up things i didn`t even say

that is the only sup i don`t see often in arena her attacks is not that great even her main wep
her selling point is the music circle she compose around herself

and i do admit that striping Melfi healing arrow is a big down side but consider the other features implemented that ver of melfi is suited more for hopping and attacking than healing being a side feature this time

you are the melfi expert after all but it is rare to see a bot that require thinking to consider downsides and build it around it she dosn`t need to be the broken melfi Heart to function think outside the box and see how you can use the new tools

also i think the arrow rain is best suited on groups  just my opinion

tdlr if she dosn`t deserve your efforts and mats i don`t know why you went through the trouble of rolling for her in the first place    

People roll for characters because they want to play them. How the heck are they supposed to know that they'll be bad or good?

Also, I did a little bit of calculations on the comparison of damage block potential compared to the healing of the arrows given to Melfi and Melfi Heart.

This is an assumption that all Melfi's discussed have no supply tunes and are at default ammo.

Melfi: 100HP Healing Arrows x 10 ammo = 1000 HP Healed
Melfi Heart: (100HP Healing Arrows + ~50 HP Auto Regen) * 7 ammo = 1050 HP Healed

Ice Barrier blocks 1 attack, has 30 ammo.
In order for Ice barrier to become as good as healing arrows:
1000 HP / 30 ammo = 33.33 damage must be blocked on every 1 ammo.

In order for Ice barrier to become as good as Melfi Heart's healing arrows:
1050 HP / 30 ammo = 35 damage must be blocked on every 1 ammo.

The shield may not be reliable, but the shield has more ammo, allowing you to spread it across different types of players more. The trade off is that it's not actual HP you're healing but just 1 damage block, similar to Hearthstone's ability "Divine Shield."

Apparently Tunco decided to become a shitty little items thief now.

Koiro wrote:

Apparently Tunco decided to become a shitty little items thief now.

Oh, fuck.. I forgot that today was Saturday.. I almost pissed away the whole bazaar, like last time.

Mie wrote:

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Mie wrote:

All I said was: ''I can't tune her, I'd rather give these tunes to Rone than FROST''.
She is just not worth -my- tunes. The tunes I've always wanted to give to my Melfis, high walk, high tec in this case, lots of hp to run and mess around in the front line with burst fire bit.

How do I generalize supports? All I did was a comparison. Melfi FROST is workable, she is fine the way she is, just not worth the trouble of tuning, that, in my eyes, would just be for survivability.



I was going to post the same thing.

And you compare sups with completely different purposes?

What is FROST purpose? What is Rone purpose?

I compared their freaking freezing rain. Of course I can't compare Rone's buff.
My point was that why would I tune FROST for something that Rone can just do better? Or normal Melfi?

FFS, all I said is ''I can't tune her''. THAT'S IT. Nothing else. Didn't say she still can't support, didn't say she is trash.

That's half what you said.

Why is frost being compared with different units again?
We could just say that Regina CR is better than Melfi. At least those have a point in common.

But yeah, with frost you can't wave your 12k dong.

Most Rone's that mainly use icicle rain usually don't make good use of the buff. Not to mention that people who do that can only use her on a couple of maps.

Akhenderson wrote:

Melfi: 100HP Healing Arrows x 10 ammo = 1000 HP Healed
Melfi Heart: (50HP Healing Arrows + ~100 HP Auto Regen) * 7 ammo = 1050 HP Healed

Ops just a little correction here, it's 100hp + 50hp regen.

Spoiler:

God is a Cat Girl wrote:

blablablabla

You ignored completely what I said.
My point isn't damage, you are being dumb and ignorant.

Mie wrote:

Akhenderson wrote:

Melfi: 100HP Healing Arrows x 10 ammo = 1000 HP Healed
Melfi Heart: (50HP Healing Arrows + ~100 HP Auto Regen) * 7 ammo = 1050 HP Healed

Ops just a little correction here, it's 100hp + 50hp regen.

Spoiler:

thanks for the correction. Even if it doesn't change anything, accurate information being posted is better than having inaccurate information with the same results.

What's with the sudden hate towards healing bits? I still see people trash talk new players if they don't have a healing bit on their Melfi or Regina. Or the hate that Amy's get for using her Bed instead of a Wonder Bit. People are complaining if you use a healing bit, but they also complain if your support doesn't have one.

Shai wrote:

What's with the sudden hate towards healing bits? I still see people trash talk new players if they don't have a healing bit on their Melfi or Regina. Or the hate that Amy's get for using her Bed instead of a Wonder Bit. People are complaining if you use a healing bit, but they also complain if your support doesn't have one.

Healing bits started to become less optimal once the game shifted to a more hyper aggressive style of play. Healing bits cause this mindset where players back off of the fight in order to obtain health and continue fighting later, as opposed to keeping up the pressure.
The reason why melfi heart (partially) and regina are are still being used is because they either give hp quick or allow auto regen, which allows players to continue fighting, and be healing at the same time.

I also must say that I greatly dislike sups with burst bit that decide that they should buff everyone on sight.
For countless times I end up running away from them rather than from the enemy.

Certain people using Rones really should learn how to type. Many times I see Rones being less useful than a LR chibi.

Quote :

You ignored completely what I said.
My point isn't damage, you are being dumb and ignorant.

My point isn't damage. And I don't need to call you dumb and ignorant to tell you that.


I actually prefer a person with a brain and a repair bit rather than a Melfi.
Melfi ends up either having a downtime or just depending that everyone will feed them ammo.

Having 200HP> <300 HP and only a Melfi on the team without a repair bit is suffering.

AnTi90d wrote:

Koiro wrote:

Apparently Tunco decided to become a shitty little items thief now.

Oh, fuck.. I forgot that today was Saturday.. I almost pissed away the whole bazaar, like last time.

Oh dear, so did I. Just when i had an account within bazaar range, fulled with WP cubes & other stuff to sell.

beccadmgirl wrote:

rone only selling point is her circle... *facepalm*

No

i hope that you realize that giving melfi a better shield will be a major slap on the face for every one who got Resha

second i don`t disagree with you on the shield part however building her will be oriented for her offensive attacks not the barrier due to being weak as you said

just use her for offense like you use nicole but without debuffs

healing bits mean MULTIPLE PEOPLE sitting in one place to heal.
they are bad compared to regina fields or instant heals of other supports
the bed is godlike, people just don't understand how it is meant to be used - ie, one person sits back and amy gets to KEEP THROWING SHIT rather than having amy AND 3+ people sitting around doing fuck all.

Another thing I have just learned about Melfi Frost is that her Ice Barrier scales poorly after supply tunes compared to the other two melfi variants.

Melfi Arrow w/ x1 Great Supply: 100 * 12 = 1200
Melfi Heart Arrow w/ x1 great supply: (100 HP + 50 Auto Regen)* 9 ammo = 1350 hp
Ice Barrier w/ x1 Great Supply = 35 ammo.

1200 / 35 = 34.285 damage must be blocked to be as good as melfi
1350 / 35 = 38 damage must be blocked to be as good as melfi heart arrows

As before when each version didnt have supply tunes., you needed to block at least 33 damage to become comparable to Melfi, and 35 damage to be comparable to Melfi Heart.

Now with the Great Supply tunes added in, A G.Supply tuned Melfi Frost needs to block ~34 damage to become comparable to Melfi with the same tunes, and 38(!) damage compared to Melfi Heart with the same tunes.