2 crowd divers. which one?

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:24 am

Refer to page 2 of this link and look for the post made by Solo_Ace:

http://www.cosmicbreakfanforum.com/t12814p15-reveng-tunes

Untuned Daedalian AM2 at 40 STR = 3x G.Grappler Daedalian AM2 at 25 STR = 67 damage (rounded to nearest)

1x G.Grappler Daedalian AM2 at 40 STR = 74 damage

And I'm not sure what is the multiplier for crit. Also lazy to do reduction computation for Target with or without Sword Guard + Revenge tunes + TGH.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:28 am

fuck yeah seaking, i'm going with that.

Now I have to find mats for 3 GGA and 4 crimson veils (making 2 melees)

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3x GG at 32str does 76 damage. :3

Spoiler:

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:51 am

Yep still sticking to mine.

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Another question - Does force tuning increase damage per hit more than str does?

Moghul wrote:: Yep still sticking to mine.

Eh? Can you please explain why? #em6

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:58 am

Neko-chan wrote:

Moghul wrote:: Yep still sticking to mine.

Eh? Can you please explain why? #em6

because of the tune mats and the fact that I don't have 2s Lancerlot AM2

Regular Poster Posts : 189 Join date : 2013-11-03 Age : 29

Moghul wrote:

Neko-chan wrote:

Moghul wrote:: Yep still sticking to mine.

Eh? Can you please explain why? #em6

because of the tune mats and the fact that I don't have 2s Lancerlot AM2

You can save your materials, for a little longer and for long term gain and 2 slotted lancelot am2 are in the shop.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:03 am

Neko-chan wrote:

Another question - Does force tuning increase damage per hit more than str does?

Moghul wrote:: Yep still sticking to mine.

Eh? Can you please explain why? #em6

It's hard to say, so do manual computation from the cosmic calc... however in the end it is more about saving more capacity for tuning or cartridges.

I have a 40 Str 2x G.Grappler 3xCV Shop Fencer and I can no longer tune up its WLK to 36-38 for chasing enemy ART because I ran out of cost capacity.

Same with my Ouka Scarlet... got 3x Slow tune Sword but have to sacrifice 2xCV in order to have 38 STR and 36 WLK.

It's really hard to have perfect builds when you are forced to be resourceful in allocating and budgeting your Cost capacity limit.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:06 am

get boost run

Regular Poster Posts : 189 Join date : 2013-11-03 Age : 29

Pork Chop wrote:: I have a 40 Str 2x G.Grappler 3xCV Shop Fencer and I can no longer tune up its WLK to 36-38 for chasing enemy ART because I ran out of cost capacity.

It's possible though... #em6

Spoiler:

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:29 am

Neko-chan wrote:

Pork Chop wrote:: I have a 40 Str 2x G.Grappler 3xCV Shop Fencer and I can no longer tune up its WLK to 36-38 for chasing enemy ART because I ran out of cost capacity.

It's possible though... #em6

Spoiler:

Sorry to say mine has 2xEiW with boost run and sword guard for Haku. And I use WB too so I can't go negative TEC.

Moghul wrote:: get boost run

Boost Run also needs WLK stat.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:39 am

Pork Chop wrote:

Moghul wrote:: get boost run

Boost Run also needs WLK stat.

33/1 is enough for breakpoint.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:03 am

2 CV is enough to trigger, 3 CV is a waste of capa

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^ It depends on how much tgh you have on your bot. Usually you will get 3 CV for >16tgh since you want your shit to proc easily.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:28 am

https://youtu.be/WqFN3MzeM54
This is why you 40 str & 3x GG.
Take note this is forever ago, and has 17 or 16 tough with 2 CV.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:06 am

^ Oh, man, that video actually crossed my mind briefly when I mentioned Bippu, though I thought for a second it was just memories of me speccing him or something rather than a vid.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:10 am

reVelske wrote:: ^ Oh, man, that video actually crossed my mind briefly when I mentioned Bippu, though I thought for a second it was just memories of me speccing him or something rather than a vid.

Yeah I used to stalk him in arena whenever he played this. Asked about in his videos about the build, and advice on carts to make mine. Good times

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:23 am

DavidRain wrote:: https://youtu.be/WqFN3MzeM54
This is why you 40 str & 3x GG.
Take note this is forever ago, and has 17 or 16 tough with 2 CV.

yeah no shit, i wish I could get that. unfortunately I'm lacking 2 amjs (which he used).

In another of his videos he showed the difference in core EIW. that black one is using the same amount of parts + 2 amjs.

Once I have AMJs I'll get the right stats.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:55 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong b/c I'm pretty much just talking out of my ass but I believe that Force increases the highest dmg # you can do and STR increases the likelyhood of hitting the highest #

For example with 15 force the highest # you could hit is a 20 and with 20 force the highest you could hit is a 30, and increasing STR would allow you to hit 20's or 30's (as well as all the extra dmg amts you have access to as a result of tuning higher force) more often.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:52 pm

Koiro wrote:: Correct me if I'm wrong b/c I'm pretty much just talking out of my ass but I believe that Force increases the highest dmg # you can do and STR increases the likelyhood of hitting the highest #

For example with 15 force the highest # you could hit is a 20 and with 20 force the highest you could hit is a 30, and increasing STR would allow you to hit 20's or 30's (as well as all the extra dmg amts you have access to as a result of tuning higher force) more often.

That makes absolutely 0 sense. does not work that way from what i've tested.

Seriously. 20 something jikun hits waaay lamer than a 40 str one.

here
Formula of STR based dmg: (Weapon's Force) * (1 + 0.025 * (STR-10))

EDIT: this practically shows that Force>STR but... BUT tuning GGA is way more expensive and for like...3 dmg. I think i'll stick to my build.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:09 pm

Moghul wrote:

Koiro wrote:: Correct me if I'm wrong b/c I'm pretty much just talking out of my ass but I believe that Force increases the highest dmg # you can do and STR increases the likelyhood of hitting the highest #

For example with 15 force the highest # you could hit is a 20 and with 20 force the highest you could hit is a 30, and increasing STR would allow you to hit 20's or 30's (as well as all the extra dmg amts you have access to as a result of tuning higher force) more often.

That makes absolutely 0 sense. does not work that way from what i've tested.

Seriously. 20 something jikun hits waaay lamer than a 40 str one.

here
Formula of STR based dmg: (Weapon's Force) * (1 + 0.025 * (STR-10))

EDIT: this practically shows that Force>STR but... BUT tuning GGA is way more expensive and for like...3 dmg. I think i'll stick to my build.

Well I did warn everyone that I was talking out of my ass...

That's been the way that I've percieved force and STR for some reason

And I seemed to have missed the formula that explains it...whoops.

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It's cuz you a nee-gro.

Subject: Re: 2 crowd divers. which one? Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:48 pm

You shush now

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