Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build.

Newbie Posts : 43 Join date : 2011-12-29

Spent some in calc for high-damage air bot:

Monica Gold Wing:

How you think, all that materials are equal cost for 25/49 force on her weapons? I'll be happy hear any suggestions.

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:31 am

Too many tunes on her beam missile.

Adept Poster Posts : 707 Join date : 2012-11-15

After 2x high capa tunes
Only has 400 hp and 34 fly and no br

Grand Poster Posts : 3071 Join date : 2011-02-26 Age : 912

Change those High Boost Alphas to Betas and Htech Alphas to 2x Tech's

You have plenty of slots to get back your str stat and then some to change hboost alphas to hboost betas.

Newbie Posts : 43 Join date : 2011-12-29

exoakutsu wrote:: After 2x high capa tunes
Only has 400 hp and 34 fly and no br

Well, priority was at maximum damage output.. I hope, her "Seraph" effect will help with that hp.
Anyway, it just thinking in calc yet.

Trill wrote:: Change those High Boost Alphas to Betas and Htech Alphas to 2x Tech's

You have plenty of slots to get back your str stat and then some to change hboost alphas to hboost betas.

Hm, something like this?

v0.2:

less cost but less ammo for beam missile..

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:34 am

why do you need hshooter
why are you using high boost alpha tunes when you have chiv bit? just use high boost beta
why would you tune acrobat

Newbie Posts : 43 Join date : 2011-12-29

I feel lack of bullet speed, hshooter add speed without ammo eat. Yes, I trying get at least 1str for wb-dodge

with boost alpha and acro:

But now I tnink that chivalry bit with boost beta more useful.. By using 2Gcapacity it can even get 10lvl with sniper sight and radar. Thanks for tips.

v0.3:

Any think about this?

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:51 pm

i find 1 High shooter on her weapons already make her Cancerous. 2 Great rapid betas eat too much ammo on missiles. on the cannon, sure, but the missiles.....you should use something else. they eat up their ammo really fast

should use lag loop

Ace Poster Posts : 1703 Join date : 2013-02-22

You do realize that adding a high shooter doesn't affect the accuracy of the weapon or reduce the time it takes to travel to the target? The delay it takes for a projectile to hit a target once fired can be calculated by dividing range by speed. The result is equal to the number of seconds it takes to reach max range, in decimal form. So, with something like Tesladonna AM5, where range and speed are both equal to 300, it takes exactly 1 second to travel the complete range.
300/300=1
However, adding high shooters means the weapon's range and speed remain proportionally the same, thus giving no increase to the rate at which the projectile reaches max distance.
You are much better off tuning some form of Rapid tune.

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:57 pm

KidGlitch wrote:: You do realize that adding a high shooter doesn't affect the accuracy of the weapon or reduce the time it takes to travel to the target? The delay it takes for a projectile to hit a target once fired can be calculated by dividing range by speed. The result is equal to the number of seconds it takes to reach max range, in decimal form. So, with something like Tesladonna AM5, where range and speed are both equal to 300, it takes exactly 1 second to travel the complete range.
300/300=1
However, adding high shooters means the weapon's range and speed remain proportionally the same, thus giving no increase to the rate at which the projectile reaches max distance.
You are much better off tuning some form of Rapid tune.

by your logic, plz great rapid alpha ALL your guns.

no one said that you have to shoot at the max rng of the weapon. and if you can hit something at 3oo rng with 1 second travel time VS hitting something at 285 rng with 1 sec, what would you prefer? and longer rng on homing weapons just makes it better in general

Newbie Posts : 43 Join date : 2011-12-29

Hm, that's true about missiles. I fought pack of arenas and saw how fast she shoot ammo. I think, 1 pair of betas need change to alpha (eg put great force alphas). I hope 315 ammo will be enough with new force.

KidGlitch wrote:: You do realize that adding a high shooter doesn't affect the accuracy of the weapon or reduce the time it takes to travel to the target? The delay it takes for a projectile to hit a target once fired can be calculated by dividing range by speed. The result is equal to the number of seconds it takes to reach max range, in decimal form. So, with something like Tesladonna AM5, where range and speed are both equal to 300, it takes exactly 1 second to travel the complete range.
300/300=1
However, adding high shooters means the weapon's range and speed remain proportionally the same, thus giving no increase to the rate at which the projectile reaches max distance.
You are much better off tuning some form of Rapid tune.

Definitely yes. For max range. But shooting from border of max range are ideal, much often we fight closer to middle range and here high shooter works well for weapons like this missiles. It gives speed bonus without ammo eat.
+ if hshooter's range bonus will negate by next weapon tune, great force alpha? Yes, it costly and now (after some matches) i don't think that is really need for her cannon.. GRange alpha + GRapid beta + GForce beta, as variant, gives 105 ammo, 30 free capa and 357/379 range/speed..

Ace Poster Posts : 1703 Join date : 2013-02-22

WhiteTofuMagic wrote:

KidGlitch wrote:: You do realize that adding a high shooter doesn't affect the accuracy of the weapon or reduce the time it takes to travel to the target? The delay it takes for a projectile to hit a target once fired can be calculated by dividing range by speed. The result is equal to the number of seconds it takes to reach max range, in decimal form. So, with something like Tesladonna AM5, where range and speed are both equal to 300, it takes exactly 1 second to travel the complete range.
300/300=1
However, adding high shooters means the weapon's range and speed remain proportionally the same, thus giving no increase to the rate at which the projectile reaches max distance.
You are much better off tuning some form of Rapid tune.

by your logic, plz great rapid alpha ALL your guns.

no one said that you have to shoot at the max rng of the weapon. and if you can hit something at 3oo rng with 1 second travel time VS hitting something at 285 rng with 1 sec, what would you prefer? and longer rng on homing weapons just makes it better in general

There are more efficient ways of increasing speed without docking range.

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:33 pm

your weapons should have enough speed in them so that they hit
if your weapon requires hshooter+grapid in order meet this requirement you are either using a shit weapon or doing something very wrong.
I don't see why you need anything beyond gforce grapid in the vast majority of weapons.
you're trying to tune 190 cost worth of weapon tunes.
you have a 1350 cost build on an air bot with 400 HP and you don't even have accel roll.
unless you literally need them to hit things, I'd suggest dropping the Hshooters, and possible even going from Gforce to force on AM5 in order to raise your ammo a bit because you only lose 1 damage from this. You can use the spare cost(you will have a LOT of it) to fix the problems with your build.

Ace Poster Posts : 1703 Join date : 2013-02-22

Winty wrote:: your weapons should have enough speed in them so that they hit
if your weapon requires hshooter+grapid in order meet this requirement you are either using a shit weapon or doing something very wrong.
I don't see why you need anything beyond gforce grapid in the vast majority of weapons.
you're trying to tune 190 cost worth of weapon tunes.
you have a 1350 cost build on an air bot with 400 HP and you don't even have accel roll.
unless you literally need them to hit things, I'd suggest dropping the Hshooters, and possible even going from Gforce to force on AM5 in order to raise your ammo a bit because you only lose 1 damage from this. You can use the spare cost(you will have a LOT of it) to fix the problems with your build.

Pretty much all the advice you're going to need, right there.

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:32 pm

plz listen to Winty and fail hard at this game. point of high shooter is to out rng ppl while increasing speed to make it more accurate. we are talking about a beam missile launcher here, the more range, the more speed you stack on it the more auto play it gets.

dat monica will do fine with just 1 High shooter on each arm. rest of weapon tunes you can get creative. just don't kill too much ammo. important thing is 40 tec, maybe broad.

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:36 pm

I tuned 1 Force, 1 GRapid on her Beam Missile. I tuned 1 Grapid and 1 GForce on her Lightning Cannon.

she's @ 40TEC with 1 STR, and 34 FLY. Stun Regain and Broad Radar for later '-'

Newbie Posts : 43 Join date : 2011-12-29

Winty wrote:: your weapons should have enough speed in them so that they hit
if your weapon requires hshooter+grapid in order meet this requirement you are either using a shit weapon or doing something very wrong.
I don't see why you need anything beyond gforce grapid in the vast majority of weapons.
you're trying to tune 190 cost worth of weapon tunes.
you have a 1350 cost build on an air bot with 400 HP and you don't even have accel roll.
unless you literally need them to hit things, I'd suggest dropping the Hshooters, and possible even going from Gforce to force on AM5 in order to raise your ammo a bit because you only lose 1 damage from this. You can use the spare cost(you will have a LOT of it) to fix the problems with your build.

I definitely glad that start this topic, discussion always help to see where you did mistakes in build. I got some blind by that high-grade force tunes.. well, that's example how they can eat any amount of capa, even at this awesome Monica. Without really enhancements for that cost. Thanks for advices!
Now I try to make her fly/tec at 38/40 with removable parts, get some fighting with it and then decide how tune her further.

Ace Poster Posts : 1342 Join date : 2011-03-02 Age : 30

Does Monica really need weapon tunes?

Spoiler:

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:38 am

UncleBobbie wrote:

Does Monica really need weapon tunes?

Spoiler:

Her lightning cannon requires at least 1 GRapid.
Her main beam missiles, depends on you (I put mine with 1Force and GRapid) so it chases faster.

40 TEC and she does around 60 with 1 of her missiles.

Ace Poster Posts : 1342 Join date : 2011-03-02 Age : 30

rei_hunter wrote:

UncleBobbie wrote:

Does Monica really need weapon tunes?

Spoiler:

Her lightning cannon requires at least 1 GRapid.
Her main beam missiles, depends on you (I put mine with 1Force and GRapid) so it chases faster.

40 TEC and she does around 60 with 1 of her missiles.

I've been playing a bit with stock Monica Gold Wing and I honestly have no trouble hitting things...

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:26 am

not a fan of broad radar, so...

Spoiler:

Ace Poster Posts : 1342 Join date : 2011-03-02 Age : 30

Stickboy wrote:

not a fan of broad radar, so...

Spoiler:

>Float dash
>Quick boost
>Quick land

Why?

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:41 am

UncleBobbie wrote:

Stickboy wrote:

not a fan of broad radar, so...

Spoiler:

>Float dash
>Quick boost
>Quick land

Why?

'cuz that's how i play

Subject: Re: Some crazy Monica Gold Wing build. Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:12 pm

more close to land Air...

Faster at moving around imo. In the air you're pretty much a big fat target to Monica Golds.

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