[Suggestion & Opinions] Ivis(HD) build

First of all: DEMN DIS, FULL OF REINE BUILDS (ENVIOUS) 

A-ahem, anyways:
Sadly enough, I don't apparently care about tunes and cartridges and stuffs back then (about 5 months ago) that I noob-ly spam-tuned my Ivis with +1 STR making my Ivis a friggin' almost-useless glass-cannon.
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Sorry I'll be putting here my stats from what I remember: (Will check CB later)
Stats:
[HP:] 405/405
[Slots:] Spammed it all with +1Str (excluding my subweapons)
[Str:] 40
[Wlk:] 32
[Tgh:] 10(?, or less)
[Cost:] ???/???

[Cartridges:]
Capacity: x???
???
Enhance Internal Weapon ×2 (or 3??)
Boost Run
Assault Step
Soul Eater
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Fortunately enough I has Cosmo Regret Alpha so I can prolly redo some stuffs.
I already have a plan for Ivis (+40Str, +30 Wlk and some Tgh if ever: that is, if ever my cost can handle it) but I want to hear your opinion about this.

First:
Str: "Obviously, you should max it out."... is what should I be thinking, but I see some Ivis builds that has +30 Str (and prioritizing other stats).
I'm also thinking of putting in +%Force on Ivis' SacrificeX. (Already know this but I want to confirm it) I'm wondering if putting +%Force on Ivis's SacrificeX would help.
I'm also thinking of putting Slow Tune on SacrificeX (Thinking Ivis hits fast, I wonder if it's useful). I fought a Sylvia with that tune (or was it a Jace) and I never lived to see another day. (Also I fought a Jace with a Paralyze Tune, I got envious so I tried finding it but there's no tune for Sub-Weapons like that one.)


Second:
Wlk: "...Well, idiot do you have to think about it?"...Well... I actually want to max the hell out of it since I noticed before even getting close to them I've already been bombarded. (I know, I'm a retard) I'm also thinking if putting in [Revenge: Crimson Veil] is helpful (but well then again before I even use all of my Crimson Veil, I'm already dead by then.)


Third:
Tgh: "Wai-wai-wai-wait... Did you just took a 200Dmg Combo from that bot?"... I almost died actually .__ .
While I think this is retarded (for me atleast), I'm thinking of investing on this one. I know there's CrimsonVeil, but the hell that damage .___ .
I see some melee bots investing on this one too, dunno about Ivis users.


Cartridges: "...I dunno man, looks almost nice but there's something missing... Like something that wouldn't make you suck... hard." ...  My brain is seriously harsh on me ._ .
While my current cartridge is as high as f*** (and thinking I didn't max out my Capacity Cartridges), I would like to hear your suggestions on what cartridge to use on Ivis (well there's your "depends on your build" but still I want to hear them) Fortunately, I have a Cartridge Reset on hand.
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Final Note: Yes I know, capacity overload, but I'll manage it if ever.

and so, I want to hear your opinions and suggestions (violent reactions? Capslock to death, sure...) about this, and thanks

I want to cry right now cause this is a train wreck.
Ivis weapon tunes should be either 3x high gladiator or 2x great gladiator and 1x slow, anymore slow is over kill
Ivis wlk stat should be 36 with a custom dash of either sway or assault step
All capa and EIW carts should be taken
You might need to tune 1 high capa on her legs depended on your total capa usage
The last cart should be soul eater if you can fit it in the build or anything you prefer, if not do not take the last cart
Ivis's str does not have to be 40 cause your weapon tunes should be enough to cover that and for me, I like to have 1 tec for a running wb to cancel into
Preferrable wbs are chivalry shield bit, pepo pumpkin bit (only good for chasing, my preference), and double spike bits
With less capa in str you can tune things such as tank to give Ivis more hp cause 405 is suffering
Tgh should be in the ranges of 12-16
DO NOT TUNE REVENGE TUNES ON IVIS

emm... kk.... first of all let me get this straight and just to make sure cause the 1st line on your thread is REINE in bold capital letter, that you're actually looking for the Cviel sword ivis and not the Sviel spear reine.

For Ivis... how intense are you expecting your tunes to be, cause you can build some crazy stuff with her slots. My comment below are based on intensive tuning

To answer your 1st point: she has enough capacity to be tuned 40 str and have enough for other stats. NEVER put force on a combo based melee cause force tunes decrease your attack speed. I normally put slow on my combo melees for 2 reasons:
1. to keep my target stay near me when the tune activate. Yes some cool-kids say combo stunlock will keep the target at bay anyways there's no need for slow, but these days I've seen at least 1 case a week where someone lag so hard he warp through a wall to get away from me, and slow tunes will help me keep them at least relatively close to me if activated
2. in a melee vs melee fight, slow tune activating will drop your opponent's melee combo speed by a significant amount, so your 1v1 will likely to end in your favor

For your 2nd point: why why whyy WHYYYYY would you turn revenge cv when you have cv on demand????? and that cv on demand come with free all-guard anyways????? 9 cviel is enough for me to last a 10 minute gameplay on the odd days i do survive the full 10 minutes on my ivis

Your 3rd point. TGH does NOTHING on that 200 damage you take, it only decrease the sequential hits you take after that initial hit. So... your damage taken will be something like 200, 80, 30, 14, 5 with a high tgh, comparing to something like 200, 140, 90, 60, 40.... (all hypothetical numbers) if you have a low tgh. My suggestion is, instead of tuning tgh, tune your HP. 200 damage on a 400 hp bot is 1/2 dead, but on a 600hp bot it look less painful as that's only 1/3 of your total hp (still painful)

If you really want me to spoon feed, send me a pm and i'll send you my current working ivis build

I don't have her but I have reine ill give u my reine build to base yours off of (don't imagine they'd be that different) only difference is probably just the weapon tunes. For ivis id go with 2 great glad 1 slow,yea like he said with the speed u gain from glad tunes combined with the already fast melee u probably wont need more then 1 slow.heres my reine

Spoiler:

>Great glad
>Tgh tunes
>Suggesting to take soul eater

I'm dying.

tggt wrote:

>Great glad
>Tgh tunes
>Suggesting to take soul eater

I'm dying.

yea idk about soul eater on hd ivis either,works on reine tho.but yea I think he should tune tgh would go for more then 12 tho,and opps high glad

tggt wrote:

>Great glad
>Tgh tunes
>Suggesting to take soul eater

I'm dying.

Woops ment to write high gladiator
Also, got problems with soul eater? Ivis hd doesn't get guard carts so she only has miscellaneous carts.

Broad radar. 40 cost for 5% HP per kill is not worth (on almost any bot).

exoakutsu wrote:

Ivis hd doesn't get guard carts

Yeah she has All Guard after 2x EIW.

tggt wrote:

Broad radar. 40 cost for 5% HP per kill is not worth (on almost any bot).

The hp gain is 5 percent of the enemies hp, so it could be good or bad and its a risk I like taking. As a land, broad is great to have, but I locate enemy positions from teammates spotting them. Crowd diving with Ivis is suicide and being in line with teammates is the best survival option as long as you push up correctly.

kyarashotgun wrote:

exoakutsu wrote:

Ivis hd doesn't get guard carts

Yeah she has All Guard after 2x EIW.

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Well that is true, but I meant in the sense as in blast guard or shell guard, etc.

wooh agree to disagree people. Its no use fighting for what one believe to be the optimal as each person value something differently. Meanwhile the fight is just gonna cause confusion for the person who's asking for help and reading the thread

Well, this is actually fine. I need all kinds of info so I would have a variety of choices on tuning my Ivis. Anyways, just keep'em coming :V

For now, I would:
Complete my Capacity
Slow Tune
HP Tune
TGH Tune
Capa Tune (if ever)

Well, as for SoulEater:
I'll be thinking if I will use this or not.

Anyways, thanks and keep up the info coming  

Junk it

Ivis HD (Ivis X), right? Anyway. With her I'd recommend getting mobility to at the very least 36 WLK and a custom dash (Sway or Assault Step, I prefer the latter for catching enemies easier). I would also recommend having TEC at least at 1 for WB purposes, since she lacks a main weapon. Whatever the WB, is up to you, but I personally made space for Dual Slayers for locking enemies in place and the reach it has.

With Ivis X, you either tune x2 H. Glad x1 Slow, or x2 Slow if you lack the capa for the former. x2 Slow really helps lock the enemy in place in combination with your WB.

I'd recommend your STR to be in the mid 30s, she does not need 40 STR to wreck people. Her TGH is debatable, it should at the very least be 9 though.

As always, higher HP is better for any bot in this metagame, so I'd recommend you at least have 550 HP for Ivis X as she can easily hit that much.

Here's my build for a comparison

Spoiler:

Broad Radar was purely choice for me, and H./G. capa tunes seem more or less pointless with her limited number of slots and already pitiful TGH.

@zerocl
attempted to do that, but I saw I have Cosmo Regret and Cartridge reset :V



And so, note taken. Another question, is 36Wlk = BoostRun?

Edit:
I checked my Ivis... and guess what? :V
It's worse than I expected:

COST： 1180
CAPA： 1195
HP： 405/405
STR： 40
TEC： 6
WLK： 32
FLY： 8
TGH： 7

LEVEL： 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×4
Enhance Internal Weapon ×2
Assault Step
Soul Eater
Boost Run
Quick Jump

http://cosmiccalc.appspot.com/

32/8 isn't even a boost run break point.

I'm able to catch my targets well enough using a 28 wlk non boost run ivis with assault step, so high wlk should have even less problem. With that said, boost run will probably only add you the additional problem of boost management

Note taken, thanks~  

Meanwhile, I tried doing a test build for Ivis (HD) from what info I've gathered so far and decided to have this build (but then again I'll be asking for your opinions again. Also other builds people shown me is appreciated, I might try it if I ever get a Reine. Also being Material-friendly as much as possible, also Cosmo Harmonics-friendly .__ . )

My test build::

38/1 is the break point.

http://www.cosmicbreakfanforum.com/t7429-boost-run-short-boost-etc-etc-charts

Why people tune tgh on Ivis is beyond me. The only thing I worry about with low tough is getting stunned and Ivis is already immune, and gets a free damage reduction on top of that. The consecutive hit damage reduction will not be that noticeable and the capa and slots can be spent in better ways.

Halexander wrote:

The consecutive hit damage reduction will not be that noticeable and the capa and slots can be spent in better ways.

if you are not lagging like hell you will notice your toughness even with ivis X movement and crimson veil. another thing to keep in mind is that many hard hitting weapons are based on multiple components and thus you get a damage reduction even on single bullets.

I don't see why you try to keep positive TEC stat just nuke it and save yourself all that cost to get more damage.

will probably save you the hcapa as well

well, the build i had in mind gets me this:

with 8 EX tunes:

Or 585 hp without EX tunes. So you can get hp up, good movement, and still abuse the dual slayer bit

And i thought I said "No grappler tune on combo based bots"... other than that, I don't know how he's able to dropping a whole 10 points on tech without doing much to his stats, forcing him to use high power tune