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【Robot Name】
Godfi

【Parts】
BD: Melfi BD4
 : Burst Fire Bit
 : Melfi LG [High Capacity] [High Capacity] [High Capacity]
 : Melfi HD4 [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Beta]
  : Black Style Ribbon [Tech]
  : Berry Earrings [Ranger]
 : Ace Braver BS [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Beta] [Power]
 : Melfi AM2 [EX High Run Alpha] [High Run Alpha] [High Tech Beta]
  : Cheer Pom-pon [EX High Run Alpha] [EX High Run Alpha] [EX High Run Alpha]
 : Melfi AM5 [EX High Tech Alpha] [EX High Tech Alpha] [EX High Tech Alpha]
  : Sacred Bow [Great Supply] [Great Supply] [Great Supply]
  : Cheer Pom-pon [EX High Run Alpha] [EX High Run Alpha] [EX High Run Alpha]

【Config Check】
COST: OK
BS: OK
LG: OK
SANITY: NOT OK

【Stats】
TYPE: 補
SIZE: S
COST: 1360
CAPA: 1360
HP: 492
STR: 1
TEC: 35
WLK: 35
FLY: 1
TGH: 12

LEVEL: 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×6
Short Boost
Quick Jump
Quick Land
Broad Radar

【Materials】(spoilered for brevity)
Spoiler:
 

PROS:
**Superior movement/evasion capability with 35 wlk+hopper carts
You can literally outmaneuver ANYTHING at this level of mobility.
No boost bar to worry about either, since you are WLK based.

**26 force/36 dmg arrow rain, 25 force/35 dmg EMP arrows. (editted)
We are talking about cumulative 3-digit damage arrow rains on direct hits.
EMP arrows will hit like a truck too.

**11 arrows (150*11=1650 HP heal). [3300 with a single reload]
With Rone/Orin it's [100+(5*60)] * 11=4400 HP healed per single ammo clip [8800 with a single reload+extender]
If you don't understand what I'm implying here, I am implying that a single heal arrow is enough to fully repair an average robot if there is a extender around.

**Nearly 500 HP
Compliant with current 5-600HP meta baseline standards for survival.

**All breakpoints for damage/mobility/toughness are met.
Aesthetically pleasing, although I can't really say as much for the Ace Braver BS.

CONS:
The price tag.


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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyTue Jul 03, 2012 12:42 pm

Have fun???
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyTue Jul 03, 2012 12:58 pm

i dont want to be a party pooper but:
im not really impressed with that build. i mean, sure, it is stronger than your usual melphi but it is in >no way< worth its >cost< when compared with your usual melphi either

on a sidenote: tech does not raise the FORCE, it MULTIPLIES it to calculate the DAMAGE

thats a major difference for mathematic reasons when factoring in toughness, well, its pretty obvious that you just used the wrong word there so, yeah
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyTue Jul 03, 2012 1:01 pm

Looks fine if you're aiming for combat Melfi, but I personally wouldn't do a build like this considering tec isn't going to increase your healing or strengthen your debuff.

The less tunes that go into Melfi, the more efficient she is (to a point).
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyTue Jul 03, 2012 1:01 pm

@Aethereal wrote:
CONS: the pricetag.


@blead wrote:
Please do not blank quote.
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyTue Jul 03, 2012 1:20 pm

The ribbon's model will overlap with her pigtail. Ace braver BS is ugly and not even Rt exclusive. You also forgot to add a fireflower to make the bow sparkle. Default parts and non overlapping accs or GTFO ._.

Build is "ok".
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyTue Jul 03, 2012 1:44 pm

@Aurum_Sol wrote:
i dont want to be a party pooper but:
im not really impressed with that build. i mean, sure, it is stronger than your usual melphi but it is in >no way< worth its >cost< when compared with your usual melphi either

on a sidenote: tech does not raise the FORCE, it MULTIPLIES it to calculate the DAMAGE

thats a major difference for mathematic reasons when factoring in toughness, well, its pretty obvious that you just used the wrong word there so, yeah

Yeah, my bad on the TEC. *corrected*

Lets explain a bit more regarding costs then. Melfi's costs comes from tuning her mobility, healing, and damage.

MOBILITY
As far as Melfis go, with that level of mobility, playing as pure healer who focuses only on evasion shouldn't die anyways.
My pure-healer Melfi generally dies only once every 10-15 matches, and only because the opposition literally has enough OP to spawn camp you with impunity or you are in an extremely bad/dumb situation.
The cost of tuning for mobility is non-negotiable, unless its about the EX part of the tunes.

For Suguri:
Spoiler:
 

HEALING
I don't count cost when what I can do outweights my death easily, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Repair Arrows.
Let me illustrate a classic scenario that is usually taught to Melfi users as regards to ammo tuning.

>Ammo Tuned Melfi (original) has 5 more arrows, that's 500 HP more.

>Assuming the 3 people cost 1k BP each, you have kept these 3 people living just that much longer by repairing their HP.

>Assuming they all die if you didn't repair them, their 3 deaths=3k BP, which outweighs the extra 90 cost tacked onto your Melfi for the 3x Great Supply tunes.

>You usually wont score any stars on your head if you play as healer anyways, so that extra 90 really won't bite you in the ass even if you happen to bite the dust.

>Also. You find an ammo clip. You are now equal to 3 untuned Melfis now with 30 arrows total.

That's the rationale behind ignoring supply tune costs on Repair Arrows and going all outs on supply tunes.

DAMAGE
This is what's warranting 2/3 of the capacity tunes at least, and thus cost bloat/criticism.
Nevertheless, let me explain.

Melfi's skills enable her to "combat support", not "rambo like a MBG".
Assuming you know where and when to rain on the enemy, you can do *heavy* damage while staying relatively safe yourself. Burst fire is for those opportunities when you know you can pull off consecutive rains for massive damage.

EMP arrow on its own is also a functionally damaging weapon now with sufficient TEC tunes, although its primary purpose is for the debuff (which isn't empowered by higher TEC as Suguri says).

This decision for damage inclusion really just comes down to personal experience and opinion really.
Since I know I can utilize arrow rain/EMP while keeping myself alive, I can/will outperform my cost.

It would be easy to tune a Melfi for only pure healing; this added cost comes from incorporating damage as well, making Melfi an all-rounder kind of bot that has high damage output and debuff despite being a support/healer class.

ADDENDUM
Right now the main issue with Melfi's sub-weapons is that they are grounding, meaning you literally stop/drop/fall mid-hop when you use her arrow rain or EMP.
It's like the difference between nicole skull and regular nicole. One can use her drain sub while moving, the former cannot. If Melfi was fixed in this manner, she could play far more aggressively while maintaining mobility instead of only doing the equivalent of artillery strikes at certain points.
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyFri Jul 06, 2012 5:14 am

You might as well tune Melfi up the wazoo since you cant beat a disposable mediger am2 bot for efficiency

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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyFri Jul 06, 2012 9:03 am

@Zwiebel Force wrote:
The ribbon's model will overlap with her pigtail. Ace braver BS is ugly and not even Rt exclusive. You also forgot to add a fireflower to make the bow sparkle. Default parts and non overlapping accs or GTFO ._.

Build is "ok".

y putting objections concerning aestetics, when the thread is about the actual build?

@Rea, whilst I think that you are looking for an offensive way of using melfi, I can't help but wonder the use of it. Ideally, melfi would like to heal allies on the battlefield, whilst staying mobile enough to avoid melee who hunt camping sups. I doubt you need that much tec either.
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@Valkyrie wrote:
@Rea, whilst I think that you are looking for an offensive way of using melfi, I can't help but wonder the use of it. Ideally, melfi would like to heal allies on the battlefield, whilst staying mobile enough to avoid melee who hunt camping sups. I doubt you need that much tec either.
You just answered your own question :3
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptySat Jul 07, 2012 1:41 am

@nzlk wrote:

stuff

Two things to mention i guess.
1) other builds should be in its own thread (entitled "low cost/low efficiency healers" perhaps?)
2) those things aren't actually viable

You have efficiency, but not mobility nor survivability.
Even Suguri's mediger build has 3 mobility carts (Accel roll, even) and broad radar.
Minimal cost builds do not work on the basis that one hit from a nova/zero fucks them up the ass.
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptySat Jul 07, 2012 2:11 am

forget nova or zero

one anything is going to mutilate those
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyWed Jul 18, 2012 7:35 pm

Why do you have a Power tune on there when you can just replace the EX High Tech Alpha with EX High Tec and get 5 more HP?

...But then you'll be 3 HP away from 500. ;-;
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyWed Jul 18, 2012 8:03 pm

Yeah there's a lot of inefficiencies in this build. You can get higher stats and same ammo with considerably less cost. I didn't exactly feel like pointing that out prior because at the time I didn't feel like this was the route you should be taking with Melfi Heart in the first place.

Then I saw her Arrow Rain on a stream and changed my mind.
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyWed Jul 18, 2012 9:27 pm

@Suguri wrote:
forget nova or zero

one anything is going to mutilate those
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please don't apply your bad standards upon everyone else
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyWed Jul 18, 2012 9:29 pm

salias wrote:
@Suguri wrote:
forget nova or zero

one anything is going to mutilate those
Spoiler:
 

please don't apply your bad standards upon everyone else
That actually proves my point if anything, but okay.
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyWed Jul 18, 2012 9:30 pm

living through half the match and healing almost 2k while dying for 300 somehow proves your point?

you'd be an idiotic fool to assume that was the only time i got hit that entire match by the way Wink
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyWed Jul 18, 2012 9:35 pm

salias wrote:
living through half the match and healing almost 2k while dying for 300 somehow proves your point?

you'd be an idiotic fool to assume that was the only time i got hit that entire match by the way Wink
your argument doesn't really help when Opfor is 2nd place, has 3000+ points in support and still hasn't died. (Damage is significantly lower than support, so therefore, it has to be a healer bot or something.)
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyWed Jul 18, 2012 9:47 pm

Or when you can 5-digit support 0-cost easy with Regina+Rone or Melfi Heart.
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PostSubject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever   The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever EmptyWed Jul 18, 2012 10:06 pm

0 merit, no proof for someone who lags that hard.
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Turkeysaur, to whom are you addressing? It seems a bit out of the blue.
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@Relict? wrote:
Turkeysaur, to whom are you addressing? It seems a bit out of the blue.
OpFor. Infamous for being one of the laggier players.
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Oh. Yeah, now that you mention it...
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haha Smile
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@Mie wrote:
haha Smile
I know why you're laughing.
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