| The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever | |
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+17reVelske Ryuuichiro AhegaoMaster +RedCobra+ Mie Relict? Turkeysaur Akhenderson MagicPotatoplz Valkyrie nzlk Zwiebel Force UncleBobbie Suguri Aurum_Sol dragongx92 Aethereal 21 posters |
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Aethereal Regular Poster
Posts : 296 Join date : 2011-03-11
| Subject: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:22 pm | |
| 【Robot Name】 Godfi 【Parts】 BD: Melfi BD4 : Burst Fire Bit : Melfi LG [High Capacity] [High Capacity] [High Capacity] : Melfi HD4 [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Beta] : Black Style Ribbon [Tech] : Berry Earrings [Ranger] : Ace Braver BS [High Tech Beta] [High Tech Beta] [Power] : Melfi AM2 [EX High Run Alpha] [High Run Alpha] [High Tech Beta] : Cheer Pom-pon [EX High Run Alpha] [EX High Run Alpha] [EX High Run Alpha] : Melfi AM5 [EX High Tech Alpha] [EX High Tech Alpha] [EX High Tech Alpha] : Sacred Bow [Great Supply] [Great Supply] [Great Supply] : Cheer Pom-pon [EX High Run Alpha] [EX High Run Alpha] [EX High Run Alpha] 【Config Check】 COST: OK BS: OK LG: OK SANITY: NOT OK 【Stats】 TYPE: 補 SIZE: S COST: 1360 CAPA: 1360 HP: 492 STR: 1 TEC: 35 WLK: 35 FLY: 1 TGH: 12 LEVEL: 10 【Cartridges】 Capacity +70×6 Short Boost Quick Jump Quick Land Broad Radar 【Materials】(spoilered for brevity) - Spoiler:
Hidora Cosmos×2 Fudara Cosmos×17 Midoro Cosmos×31 Yoguru Cosmos×15 Threede Cosmos×3 Red Chip×60 Green Chip×110 Rainbow Chip×60 Power Amp×1205 Stabilizer×83 Engine Shaft×1272 Drum Magazine×39 Guide Circuit×39 Snail Liquid×56 Prism Glass×645 Acid Gel×45 Screw Bolts×20 Steel Wheel×312 Miracle Ammonite×120 Shining Feather×120 Generic Element×120 Superior Element×30 Tech Element×30 Run Element×70
PROS: **Superior movement/evasion capability with 35 wlk+hopper carts You can literally outmaneuver ANYTHING at this level of mobility. No boost bar to worry about either, since you are WLK based. **26 force/36 dmg arrow rain, 25 force/35 dmg EMP arrows. (editted) We are talking about cumulative 3-digit damage arrow rains on direct hits. EMP arrows will hit like a truck too. **11 arrows (150*11=1650 HP heal). [3300 with a single reload] With Rone/Orin it's [100+(5*60)] * 11=4400 HP healed per single ammo clip [8800 with a single reload+extender] If you don't understand what I'm implying here, I am implying that a single heal arrow is enough to fully repair an average robot if there is a extender around. **Nearly 500 HP Compliant with current 5-600HP meta baseline standards for survival. **All breakpoints for damage/mobility/toughness are met. Aesthetically pleasing, although I can't really say as much for the Ace Braver BS. CONS: The price tag.
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dragongx92 Regular Poster
Posts : 236 Join date : 2012-06-04 Location : Where pigs fly..
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:42 pm | |
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Aurum_Sol Ace Poster
Posts : 1761 Join date : 2011-05-26
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:58 pm | |
| i dont want to be a party pooper but: im not really impressed with that build. i mean, sure, it is stronger than your usual melphi but it is in >no way< worth its >cost< when compared with your usual melphi either
on a sidenote: tech does not raise the FORCE, it MULTIPLIES it to calculate the DAMAGE
thats a major difference for mathematic reasons when factoring in toughness, well, its pretty obvious that you just used the wrong word there so, yeah | |
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Suguri God Poster
Posts : 7765 Join date : 2011-01-07 Age : 26 Location : Japan
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:01 pm | |
| Looks fine if you're aiming for combat Melfi, but I personally wouldn't do a build like this considering tec isn't going to increase your healing or strengthen your debuff.
The less tunes that go into Melfi, the more efficient she is (to a point). | |
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UncleBobbie Ace Poster
Posts : 1342 Join date : 2011-03-02 Age : 30
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:01 pm | |
| - Aethereal wrote:
- CONS: the pricetag.
- blead wrote:
- Please do not blank quote.
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Zwiebel Force Cosmic Onion
Posts : 11444 Join date : 2011-01-07 Age : 37 Location : Back on the No-Tomorrow-Lane
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:20 pm | |
| The ribbon's model will overlap with her pigtail. Ace braver BS is ugly and not even Rt exclusive. You also forgot to add a fireflower to make the bow sparkle. Default parts and non overlapping accs or GTFO ._.
Build is "ok". | |
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Aethereal Regular Poster
Posts : 296 Join date : 2011-03-11
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:44 pm | |
| - Aurum_Sol wrote:
- i dont want to be a party pooper but:
im not really impressed with that build. i mean, sure, it is stronger than your usual melphi but it is in >no way< worth its >cost< when compared with your usual melphi either
on a sidenote: tech does not raise the FORCE, it MULTIPLIES it to calculate the DAMAGE
thats a major difference for mathematic reasons when factoring in toughness, well, its pretty obvious that you just used the wrong word there so, yeah Yeah, my bad on the TEC. *corrected* Lets explain a bit more regarding costs then. Melfi's costs comes from tuning her mobility, healing, and damage. MOBILITYAs far as Melfis go, with that level of mobility, playing as pure healer who focuses only on evasion shouldn't die anyways. My pure-healer Melfi generally dies only once every 10-15 matches, and only because the opposition literally has enough OP to spawn camp you with impunity or you are in an extremely bad/dumb situation. The cost of tuning for mobility is non-negotiable, unless its about the EX part of the tunes. For Suguri: - Spoiler:
Not to directly contradict you or anything, but Melfis who are untuned/not really well tuned generally underperform or more often simply die from pressure or attrition from minor things. The "point" you mention is never reached by the vast majority of Melfi users, as far as I can see. (I define that "point" as 35 wlk/fully leveled and properly carted, since you didn't mention it).
A properly tuned Melfi with 500+HP, on the other hand, can afford to ignore damage from attrition and survive on average 2 serious encounters where you get hit full in the face. The third encounter usually kills you/leaves you at critical, but considering your average Melfi gets overrun and kebab'ed by an Eris in one go, I'd say the mobility/HP tunes are worth it regardless of cost incurred.
HEALINGI don't count cost when what I can do outweights my death easily, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Repair Arrows. Let me illustrate a classic scenario that is usually taught to Melfi users as regards to ammo tuning. >Ammo Tuned Melfi (original) has 5 more arrows, that's 500 HP more. >Assuming the 3 people cost 1k BP each, you have kept these 3 people living just that much longer by repairing their HP. >Assuming they all die if you didn't repair them, their 3 deaths=3k BP, which outweighs the extra 90 cost tacked onto your Melfi for the 3x Great Supply tunes. >You usually wont score any stars on your head if you play as healer anyways, so that extra 90 really won't bite you in the ass even if you happen to bite the dust. >Also. You find an ammo clip. You are now equal to 3 untuned Melfis now with 30 arrows total. That's the rationale behind ignoring supply tune costs on Repair Arrows and going all outs on supply tunes. DAMAGEThis is what's warranting 2/3 of the capacity tunes at least, and thus cost bloat/criticism. Nevertheless, let me explain. Melfi's skills enable her to "combat support", not "rambo like a MBG". Assuming you know where and when to rain on the enemy, you can do *heavy* damage while staying relatively safe yourself. Burst fire is for those opportunities when you know you can pull off consecutive rains for massive damage. EMP arrow on its own is also a functionally damaging weapon now with sufficient TEC tunes, although its primary purpose is for the debuff (which isn't empowered by higher TEC as Suguri says). This decision for damage inclusion really just comes down to personal experience and opinion really. Since I know I can utilize arrow rain/EMP while keeping myself alive, I can/will outperform my cost. It would be easy to tune a Melfi for only pure healing; this added cost comes from incorporating damage as well, making Melfi an all-rounder kind of bot that has high damage output and debuff despite being a support/healer class. ADDENDUMRight now the main issue with Melfi's sub-weapons is that they are grounding, meaning you literally stop/drop/fall mid-hop when you use her arrow rain or EMP. It's like the difference between nicole skull and regular nicole. One can use her drain sub while moving, the former cannot. If Melfi was fixed in this manner, she could play far more aggressively while maintaining mobility instead of only doing the equivalent of artillery strikes at certain points. | |
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nzlk Regular Poster
Posts : 403 Join date : 2011-05-07
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:14 am | |
| You might as well tune Melfi up the wazoo since you cant beat a disposable mediger am2 bot for efficiency - Spoiler:
【Robot Name】 Melfi
【Parts】 BD: Elme S. BD : Burst Fire Bit : Frog Lander LG [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta] : Frog Lander HD [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta] : Taoyamenokazari : Berry Earrings : Tarantulic BS [High Run Beta] : Mediger AM2 : Baculus : Mediger AM2 : Baculus
【Config Check】 COST: OK BS: OK LG: OK
【Stats】 TYPE: 補 SIZE: S COST: 360 CAPA: 360 HP: 186 STR: 5 TEC: 2 WLK: 25 FLY: 1 TGH: 8
LEVEL: 1
【Cartridges】 Capacity +80
【必要素材】 Fudara Cosmos×5 Blue Chip×25 Green Chip×25 Engine Shaft×25 Snail Liquid×15
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【Robot Name】 Melfi
【Parts】 BD: A. Maid BD : Burst Fire Bit : Frog Lander LG : Frog Lander HD : Mascot Pepen : Pain Scarf : Tarantulic BS : Mediger AM2 : Baculus : Mediger AM2 : Baculus
【Config Check】 COST: OK BS: OK LG: OK
【Stats】 TYPE: 補 SIZE: S COST: 330 CAPA: 330 HP: 170 STR: 3 TEC: 11 WLK: 12 FLY: 7 TGH: 7
LEVEL: 0
【Cartridges】
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Valkyrie Molcars Wearing Sunglasses
Posts : 2457 Join date : 2011-01-23 Age : 32 Location : procrastinating somewhere
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:03 am | |
| - Zwiebel Force wrote:
- The ribbon's model will overlap with her pigtail. Ace braver BS is ugly and not even Rt exclusive. You also forgot to add a fireflower to make the bow sparkle. Default parts and non overlapping accs or GTFO ._.
Build is "ok". y putting objections concerning aestetics, when the thread is about the actual build? @Rea, whilst I think that you are looking for an offensive way of using melfi, I can't help but wonder the use of it. Ideally, melfi would like to heal allies on the battlefield, whilst staying mobile enough to avoid melee who hunt camping sups. I doubt you need that much tec either. | |
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Zwiebel Force Cosmic Onion
Posts : 11444 Join date : 2011-01-07 Age : 37 Location : Back on the No-Tomorrow-Lane
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:17 am | |
| - Valkyrie wrote:
- @Rea, whilst I think that you are looking for an offensive way of using melfi, I can't help but wonder the use of it. Ideally, melfi would like to heal allies on the battlefield, whilst staying mobile enough to avoid melee who hunt camping sups. I doubt you need that much tec either.
You just answered your own question :3 | |
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Aethereal Regular Poster
Posts : 296 Join date : 2011-03-11
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:41 am | |
| - nzlk wrote:
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Two things to mention i guess. 1) other builds should be in its own thread (entitled "low cost/low efficiency healers" perhaps?) 2) those things aren't actually viable You have efficiency, but not mobility nor survivability. Even Suguri's mediger build has 3 mobility carts (Accel roll, even) and broad radar. Minimal cost builds do not work on the basis that one hit from a nova/zero fucks them up the ass. | |
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Suguri God Poster
Posts : 7765 Join date : 2011-01-07 Age : 26 Location : Japan
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:11 am | |
| forget nova or zero
one anything is going to mutilate those | |
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MagicPotatoplz Adept Poster
Posts : 898 Join date : 2011-08-03 Age : 104
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:35 pm | |
| Why do you have a Power tune on there when you can just replace the EX High Tech Alpha with EX High Tec and get 5 more HP?
...But then you'll be 3 HP away from 500. ;-; | |
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Suguri God Poster
Posts : 7765 Join date : 2011-01-07 Age : 26 Location : Japan
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:03 pm | |
| Yeah there's a lot of inefficiencies in this build. You can get higher stats and same ammo with considerably less cost. I didn't exactly feel like pointing that out prior because at the time I didn't feel like this was the route you should be taking with Melfi Heart in the first place.
Then I saw her Arrow Rain on a stream and changed my mind. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:27 pm | |
| - Suguri wrote:
- forget nova or zero
one anything is going to mutilate those - Spoiler:
please don't apply your bad standards upon everyone else |
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Suguri God Poster
Posts : 7765 Join date : 2011-01-07 Age : 26 Location : Japan
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:29 pm | |
| - salias wrote:
- Suguri wrote:
- forget nova or zero
one anything is going to mutilate those - Spoiler:
please don't apply your bad standards upon everyone else That actually proves my point if anything, but okay. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:30 pm | |
| living through half the match and healing almost 2k while dying for 300 somehow proves your point? you'd be an idiotic fool to assume that was the only time i got hit that entire match by the way |
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Akhenderson Adept Poster
Posts : 864 Join date : 2011-12-12 Age : 30 Location : Somewhere In Illinois
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:35 pm | |
| - salias wrote:
- living through half the match and healing almost 2k while dying for 300 somehow proves your point?
you'd be an idiotic fool to assume that was the only time i got hit that entire match by the way your argument doesn't really help when Opfor is 2nd place, has 3000+ points in support and still hasn't died. (Damage is significantly lower than support, so therefore, it has to be a healer bot or something.) | |
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Suguri God Poster
Posts : 7765 Join date : 2011-01-07 Age : 26 Location : Japan
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:47 pm | |
| Or when you can 5-digit support 0-cost easy with Regina+Rone or Melfi Heart. | |
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Turkeysaur Adept Poster
Posts : 782 Join date : 2011-03-11 Location : BF30
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:06 pm | |
| 0 merit, no proof for someone who lags that hard. | |
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Relict? [Moderator]
Posts : 5786 Join date : 2011-02-08 Age : 31 Location : San Diego
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:40 am | |
| Turkeysaur, to whom are you addressing? It seems a bit out of the blue. | |
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Suguri God Poster
Posts : 7765 Join date : 2011-01-07 Age : 26 Location : Japan
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:19 am | |
| - Relict? wrote:
- Turkeysaur, to whom are you addressing? It seems a bit out of the blue.
OpFor. Infamous for being one of the laggier players. | |
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Relict? [Moderator]
Posts : 5786 Join date : 2011-02-08 Age : 31 Location : San Diego
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:40 am | |
| Oh. Yeah, now that you mention it... | |
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Mie Ace Poster
Posts : 1136 Join date : 2011-12-13 Age : 29 Location : New York
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:53 pm | |
| haha | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: The Most Expensive/Awesome Melfi HEART build ever Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:27 pm | |
| - Mie wrote:
- haha
I know why you're laughing. |
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