Feminism and contemporary rights and expectations of men

a heavily loaded, often biased and highly debated topic, Feminism and the rights of men and women. whats viewed as right and wrong has changed dramatically in the past years, with women stepping up and saying that they are discriminated against in everyday life, from jobs and wages to abuse and family, while these issues are getting alot of attention and i'm not going to out right say they don't deserve to be looked into, the rights, expectations and the discrimination against men is to the most part over looked.

there is a huge double standard when it comes to the views of men and women, with women being encouraged to discriminate against men while in the same situation men are being hounded and labeled as wrong, freaks, sexist, ect.

i'll show this first case, something of a sexual nature (which is often a place for these double standards)

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reading the above I'm sure you can form your own thoughts and opinions, for those lacking the will to think its obvious to see this double standard

Man wants it women does't = women gets treated as the victim and the man is the sexist pig

women wants it man doesn't = the women gets treated as the victim and the man is failing to live up to the womens needs

in either situation the man the man gets the "he's doing the wrong thing" response.

to go on and make another example in the cases of divorce and custody of the children women are given the advantage over men, in japanese law in particular men are completely cut out of the picture and are disallowed by law to ever contact their children or ex wives, only in highly specialised cases are men given custody.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OdQGbVNa4 The Effects of Emasculation, Part I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHYPHf0PfE The Effects of Emasculation, Part II

above is an half an hour video which aims to point out much of these double standards.

for now i'll leave it as this, i would love to read people opinions, interpretations, thoughts or any other ideas or issues they might have. personal stories would be fine to

and please as this is quite a charged topic try to be courteous and don't relay on petty insults or bickering to solve an argument.


i may read more into it and post another more educated opinion or talk about personal experiences

i do agree with you that there is a double stranded between men and women, but the woman does do things to encourage this. i found a picture online that really help prove my point.

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I always think the notion comes from two contrary views on woman , and how they can use both
1. women is the fairer sex, hence need protection
HOWEVER
2. women deserve the same right as man , and can do anything as good as man

observe the actual fault on this two statement, there is no actual non bias in this thing, men will always be expected to do more and will always be getting sex.
It actually happen to all peoples instinct to impress women and give them the special treatment in attempt for getting laid, which will never work.

I am not against equal right , but however what I want is for mans right to be brought up
you know like
equal custody
equal treatment
We don't exactly ask much, just the 1:1 treatment that you want !

I kinda see the whole thing as Female revenge for how they were treated as in the past, and also how society turned women into nothing more then sex objects.

In my opinion both sides are in the wrong for these double standards to be showing up and if either side wants things to be fair/equal they need to dump the differences and look at the fact that both male and female are the same living human beings and that both should be subject to the same standards.

Example : If a man sleeps around with a ton of women, he is seen just as equally bad as a woman who does the same. (both being complete trash) Instead of man who does that = Pimp (held in higher regard) and woman = Slut (seen as complete trash).

But hell.. society.. ideals... ideals don't exactly work in these days I think.. but its still a good thing to hold onto, and try to find those with similar ideals.

Dune wrote:

I kinda see the whole thing as Female revenge for how they were treated as in the past, and also how society turned women into nothing more then sex objects.

In my opinion both sides are in the wrong for these double standards to be showing up and if either side wants things to be fair/equal they need to dump the differences and look at the fact that both male and female are the same living human beings and that both should be subject to the same standards.

Example : If a man sleeps around with a ton of women, he is seen just as equally bad as a woman who does the same. (both being complete trash) Instead of man who does that = Pimp (held in higher regard) and woman = Slut (seen as complete trash).

But hell.. society.. ideals... ideals don't exactly work in these days I think.. but its still a good thing to hold onto, and try to find those with similar ideals.

Actually pretty much what I think, except that example of a "loose" lifestyle. From my own experience it's more vice versa nowadays: man having sex with a lot of women = sexist son of a bitch who deserves to be castrated because he is totally abusing women and uses them, they might don't know yet but all these women got raped by him. Women sleeping with a lot of guys = a most admirable, beautiful, indepenant career woman who just knows what she wants.

At least that's my own experience, but then again this might be a cultural thing.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18760_6-things-everyone-knows-about-women-that-arent-true.html

>Cracked

Sometimes they make a good point, but other times they're biased as hell.
Granted, it is a humor website.

Posted in wrong thread derp dont mind me not even here.

I believe that:
1. Men and women should be able to do the same shit. We're all human, with the same fucking human abilities.
2. The revenge theory is true in part. Both sexes are at fault; men for doing shit in the first place, and women for trying the same shit now.

I think it's a man's instinct to try to please a woman in order to get laid. It's certainly my own instinct, although when it happens, usually getting laid is pretty far from my mind. Therefore men make themselves easy targets, and people all know it.

As society becomes more sensitive to feminine needs, we forget that the other gender can be victimized as well. Gender roles are something that, sadly, seem to be ground into society as a whole.

In a study back around 2006, several participants were shown pictures of teachers, male and female, with kindergarteners. When asked to state one thing about each of the few hundred pictures, an unanimous pattern developed. Pictures depicting female teachers touching students were "motherly", while males touching students in the same ways were "pedophiles" (note, this study was done, in light of a male kindergarten teacher who was fired and blacklisted state wide for "inappropriate touch" of his students, such as *gasp* patting their shoulders to reinforce positively!).

I believe that it is important to be conscious of one's actions regarding gender, since our ideas of gender-roles are ground in by society at young ages. At the same time, we can't forget that the opposing side are equals @_@

Miliken wrote:

it's just wacky on both sides.

Kirika wrote:

I believe that it is important to be conscious of one's actions regarding gender, since our ideas of gender-roles are ground in by society at young ages. At the same time, we can't forget that the opposing side are equals @_@

Agreeing with the two of you.

Alos noticing how, even with attempts to establish fairness, there's still some imbalance between the two sides in different areas.

Women get better treatment in some cases (e.g. male teachers touching students are automatically assumed to be pedophiles) while men get better treatment in others (I'm pretty sure the average woman makes less than her male co-workers doing the same, exact jobs while holding the same, exact qualifications).



I'm even a little worried my holding the door for people would mark me as a male chauvinist pig.

At this rate this world will evolve into something like Infinite Stratos

without the whole stratos mech thing.

Hyoka wrote:

At this rate this world will evolve into something like Infinite Stratos

without the whole stratos mech thing.

LOL but I love that idea: women fighting over me, threaten me with military grade weapons if I don't date them... yup.

ME: I'm a guy with a wife
HAREMMET#1: Would you like this grenade up your ass instead?
ME: :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwogDPh-Sow

What Irondicks and Malphes showed is true. The man-woman social diferences are due to our culture, in which men and woman get these treatments. What woman lost in jobs and such, won in care of respect, and hence the funny typo from dbzfan922., in which women gain respect.

Some of the things i say may be wrong, but the core issue is our culture, which was implemented from old ideals from older ages. As our culture adapts to equality, so do men and women become equal.

And i defended boys and girls being equal when i was a 10-year kid, dring times when boys were supposed to be "better" than girls. Maybe my kind side defended that prejudice of theirs. Some boys found that stupid, but when i made them remember that a girl we knew was the top basketball player in the school, who normally roflstomped any challenger (without being taller than the average height), they dropped the conversation.

StickyKeys wrote:

Hyoka wrote:

At this rate this world will evolve into something like Infinite Stratos

without the whole stratos mech thing.

LOL but I love that idea: women fighting over me, threaten me with military grade weapons if I don't date them... yup.

ME: I'm a guy with a wife
HAREMMET#1: Would you like this grenade up your ass instead?
ME: :/

this would assume you hold the power over the woman , e.g Ichika

Otherwise you're just a side character.

Get out the way, red shirt with a wife. You're taken already. How carnivorous can ya get?

Feminism is mostly black and white in my opinion. I mean, where's the grey area?

LXE wrote:

Feminism is mostly black and white in my opinion. I mean, where's the grey area?

The bed.

Hyoka wrote:

LXE wrote:

Feminism is mostly black and white in my opinion. I mean, where's the grey area?

The bed.

No, seriously.

Hyoka wrote:

LXE wrote:

Feminism is mostly black and white in my opinion. I mean, where's the grey area?

The bed.

StickyKeys wrote:

Hyoka wrote:

LXE wrote:

Feminism is mostly black and white in my opinion. I mean, where's the grey area?

The bed.

@_@ Hyoka made Sticky blush? I've been away from these forums for too long.

LXE wrote:

Hyoka wrote:

LXE wrote:

Feminism is mostly black and white in my opinion. I mean, where's the grey area?

The bed.

No, seriously.

feminism is complex in its self, when they first started up it was just white women trying to talk for all women, which got them quite some backlash as the case's are different across cultures. so feminism is really split by country by ethnicity.

so black feminism is different to white feminism is different, and excuse the use of colours, yellow feminism.

when you look at anything that is socially based there is always differences, no two people think the same, so you can have people from one extreme of being feminist to the point of hating men and the other of being anti-feminist hating other women and anything in between