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PostSubject: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 12:35 pm

It look like that psygun lasers speed up as the target is faster, but I am not sure if altitude is part of the calculation as well.

When psygun laser speed up... how much do it speed up? By percentage? By addition? How is rapid tune effected? Any benefit from range tune like missiles?
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 1:34 pm

Like..i am not sure but when i use my le reve the pysgun homes so well when i am float dashing..and yea if you are float dashing+aiming an AG with full boost the psygun go even faster..well hope it helps..
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 2:40 pm

it kinda slow for stationary or slow target , but it goin better or even godly for moving fast target ... reason why best choice for shoot down ah chan is psygun and psyblast

so... i guess it depend how fast the target speed compared to your position, either you the one moving, or the target, or both. of course as long it still in "range" ...

i guess should you tune range...
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 2:53 pm

Your movement DOES NOT affect psygun speed, only the target's speed will determine how fast the projectile goes. All in all, the speed on the weapon itself determines the bare minimum speed it will travel when shooting at the most slowest thing you can find.

Adding to that, Psygun range of travel is more or less near unlimited or at least the range of railgun, but for targeting, you can only target in the specified range of the weapon description.
Another thing to note is, the psygun won't keep tracking over the specified range. *Hence, the range is more or less a determination of the limit to home properly before it starts to travel in a straight line.*

The speed is more or less based on percentage, but how the calculation works, I don't know.
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 3:11 pm

IcyAmiki wrote:
Your movement DOES NOT affect psygun speed, only the target's speed will determine how fast the projectile goes. All in all, the speed on the weapon itself determines the bare minimum speed it will travel when shooting at the most slowest thing you can find.

Adding to that, Psygun range of travel is more or less near unlimited or at least the range of railgun, but for targeting, you can only target in the specified range of the weapon description.
Another thing to note is, the psygun won't keep tracking over the specified range. *Hence, the range is more or less a determination of the limit to home properly before it starts to travel in a straight line.*

The speed is more or less based on percentage, but how the calculation works, I don't know.

At least the shop railgun, doesn't travel all that much after the lock point.
I have a screen where I'm using a DG with 4xEIW, and she could target a shield with the missiles but the Railgun wouldn't lock or even reach the shield.
Genbura does travel a bit more than the lock point, but comparing to how sometimes I see psyguns shots traveling through the entire map and hit the wall on the back of my team's spawn...

*starts match and starts running towards PS*
-random psygun shot going towards the spawn point-
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
-sees it too late and gets hit-
*looks around, no enemies around, they are all really far*
:/


Though I never noticed my Psyguns tracking the enemy besides when they are fired, they turn towards the enemy and when they finally go towards them they just go straight ahead without any tracking.
The only Psygun that I saw that actually tracked something after being fired towards the enemy was Alba's HD.

Pretty much why I never used any of my Le Reves. If I'm not stupidly close, it won't hit because it's going towards a previous position.
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 3:17 pm

Well, they pretty much turn and track for few seconds. ~_~ Which is why, I wonder if range really matters. To me it is like, to allow you to target further and thats it. And the funny part about psygun is, they shoot slowly at start when they're changing directions. Then they accelerate after turning and stay in that course.


*though I use psygun's range to replace Broad Radar cart in a lot of circumstances. *
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 3:24 pm

IcyAmiki wrote:
Well, they pretty much turn and track for few seconds. ~_~ Which is why, I wonder if range really matters. To me it is like, to allow you to target further and thats it. And the funny part about psygun is, they shoot slowly at start when they're changing directions. Then they accelerate after turning and stay in that course.


*though I use psygun's range to replace Broad Radar cart in a lot of circumstances. *

Mine never tracked for a single second, since the initial track takes less than that. :/
It's like using Snailbot. You fire it, they turn towards them and then they just fall without turning again after the initial turn.
Except I'm firing towards, not upwards.
If I want to hit something, it needs to be as close as less than around 200 range. Even then it misses way too much. More than that it won't hit if the target isn't standing still.
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 3:34 pm

That's why, you must use something else to stun the people to the ground. xD Psygun actually works better in combo with other weapon compared to using it by itself, if you're going over 200 range.

Though, playing lily means you need to play mid to close range most of the time.
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 3:42 pm

IcyAmiki wrote:
That's why, you must use something else to stun the people to the ground. xD Psygun actually works better in combo with other weapon compared to using it by itself, if you're going over 200 range.

Though, playing lily means you need to play mid to close range most of the time.

Precisely why I stopped playing.

Even though everyone says that it's good against airs, it wouldn't hit a flying fuck unless I was near them. Well, airs are above, not near, and soon I was fighting lnds with a Lily. :/
If I wanted to fight lnds, I would be using Renny instead, since I don't need tracking to hit targets that aren't moving.
(Funny thing, my Lily doesn't track all that often when Alpha Striking)

Well, at least it's not as bad comparing to how much the Blast Magnet Gun derps when I use it.
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 4:18 pm

well.... comparing the AM psygun / handheld with the Core Internal one... seems the core one have better tracking... idk if this cause i add internal upgrade... i dunno for the psyblast... im only have the la reve without the psyco blast formula (or whatever it name)... im not that lucky...
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 5:22 pm

Basically:

-Psyguns track initially, then accelerate to the target. This acceleration is dependent on the movement speed of the target.
-The Speed listed is the Psygun speed when firing on an immobile target.
-Psyguns are unaffected by Antihoming abilities, such as Seraph Crim BS2/3 and Anti-Homing Bits. Which is why Le Reve is practically a hard counter to Wing Spammer builds and Airs in general unless you're just that beastly at evading them.
-Firing Psyguns on a target moving at high speed, like Seraph Wings, Shaden BS, or mid-STOVL speed, nearly guarantees a successful strike. Immobile/slow enemies, like fatass ART, also may not be able to evade the Psyguns in time.
-As far as I know, Psygun range is infinite until they strike an object. It's difficult to test.
-Psyguns do not home in on other targets if you miss initially, and will not home in on the target if the enemy attempts to evade the projectile.
-Speed tunes likely affect the Psygun's base Speed.
-Dunno about Range tunes, likely useless.

About Lily specifically, I would rather use her Psyslicers in place of Broad Radar. Those things have a slightly better range than an untuned RTshop Railgun and can Multilock up to four targets, very nice for long-range harassment and locating enemy positions. This function is hindered in a map like Midnight Forest, where the shitload of lock-on-able trees fucks with your Psyslicers.
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PostSubject: Re: How do psygun work exactly?   How do psygun work exactly? EmptyWed Nov 16, 2011 7:42 pm

The faster the target flies or runs the faster the bullet homes in.
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