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<Fenrir>
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| | Subject: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:05 pm | |
| Like the thread says; is there a good melee that has Broad Radar and Ouka-like stunlock melee, speed and something that doesn't need ammo to attack (Like Vanguard's buff, but stuff like Knife and Bomb of Scaregant are allowed to suggest). Oh, and preferably with a ranged attack.  Edit: It also must be 3x slow material. Aka, it must have alot of "swings" in his combo for a higher chance of slow. Like Ouka, she can do up to 10 swings in 1 combo, making for easier time inflicting slow. Edit2: It also MUST be based like an Ouka, not a zerg melee. Think of how Fia plays her Ouka, but instead of Ouka, she has a strong melee with Broad Radar with highest boost run speed. Oh, forgot to mention, must also be able to achieve highest boost run tier. (The 40 wlk/18 fly boost run tier).
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Retrias
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:04 pm | |
| Ivis..... your only ammo is crimson veil
can't remember if ivis do have broad radar or not though | |
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Raven
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:07 pm | |
| Kuten Jikun Long.
Ivis doesn't have Broad Radar. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:21 pm | |
| kuten, connie, mbg, and renny ( renny and mai cant do much stun lock but their melee is ok.)
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<Fenrir>
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:33 pm | |
| Sorry, forgot to mention that her melee has to be 3x slow material. As in, get the most out of 3x slow with my melee like Ouka with 3x slow, she can easily slow because she has alot of swings in her combo (up to 10). And yea, kind of was thinking about MBG and Kuten and Connie, but the prob is, aren't people saying that Kuten is weak? I don't have Connie, and MBG ain't really 3x Slow material I guess. But keep on suggesting please. - tggt wrote:
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- good melee that has Broad Radar and Ouka-like stunlock melee, speed and something that doesn't need ammo to attack (Like Vanguard's buff, but stuff like Knife and Bomb of Scaregant are allowed to suggest). Oh, and preferably with a ranged attack.
Connie for sure Aren't she like, a hybrid? I want something that is powerful with melee, not just okay with ranged and okay with melee. But yea... I guess Connie could do too. Is Connie 3x slow material? Can she be a bit more of a melee than a gunner? Cuz everyone tunes her guns instead of her melee, they leave the melee alone, and go for rapids on the guns. So would a Connie with 3x Slow be okay? | |
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Aurum_Sol
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:43 pm | |
| there is no "ouka like" melee with broad radar since ouka is a stealth system melee and has a completly different playstyle from any bot with broad radar for this simple reason
but i guess kuten would be a viable option for what you are looking for (gives you both, broad radar and stealth system, giving you superb perception and the option to play similar to how an ouka would play)
as for connie:
gba is core | |
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<Fenrir>
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:45 pm | |
| - Aurum_Sol wrote:
- there is no "ouka like" melee with broad radar since ouka is a stealth system melee and has a completly different playstyle from any bot with broad radar for this simple reason
but i guess kuten would be a viable option for what you are looking for (gives you both, broad radar and stealth system, giving you superb perception and the option to play similar to how an ouka would play) Stealth system ain't really that good cuz most mechs these days have Broad Radar equipped, and you shouldn't get locked on to anyways cuz you'll be going in and out of combat alot of times. Like Fia does with his Ouka. | |
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Raven
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:50 pm | |
| Ouka's hits aren't that strong either. There's just a lot of them and a high potential to cause Slow. Like Kuten.
The problem with Kuten however is that if you get x3 slow, you have literally no capa for tuning STR assuming you want to tune for high WLK as well. | |
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NotZetsubou
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:53 pm | |
| kuten is doing ok, she is almost Ouka V.2 for me. o.o - Spoiler:
just my opinion only, but i think slow is very luck dependent. i know someone in jp who put 1 slow on his ivis and still inflected slow on me in his first or second hit. so if you have good luck at slow put one on mai/kuten is working too. @.@
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Aurum_Sol
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:01 pm | |
| it wont be worth writing about the three radar/lock cards yet again when you dont even understand that fias ouka is utilizing one of them | |
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:03 pm | |
| - wrote:
- Is Connie 3x slow material? Can she be a bit more of a melee than a gunner? Cuz everyone tunes her guns instead of her melee, they leave the melee alone, and go for rapids on the guns. So would a Connie with 3x Slow be okay?
Gonna put this into my sign Elisa and Shino SS also has broad btw. | |
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<Fenrir>
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:06 pm | |
| - Aurum_Sol wrote:
- it wont be worth writing about the three radar/lock cards yet again when you dont even understand that fias ouka is utilizing one of them
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- Stealth system ain't really that good cuz most mechs these days have Broad Radar equipped, and you shouldn't get locked on to anyways cuz you'll be going in and out of combat alot of times. Like Fia does with his Ouka.
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Aurum_Sol
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:53 pm | |
| - Aurum_Sol wrote:
- you dont understand that fia is utilizing one
i bolded the important part ... and deleted the rest maybe this helps you to understand that you shouldnt name the prime example of a stealth system user when trying to say that its useless | |
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Suguri
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:53 pm | |
| Kuten would probably be your best bet. I can't think of anything else with the criteria you're looking for (other than Elisalotte, but have fun making her work). And Kuten's far from useless, I personally consider her the best melee moe (but I still like Ivis more because sex voice + silver hair  ). As stated already, Connie's GBA is internal so you won't be able to slow tune that, and while her melee is incredibly powerful she's first and foremost a gunner. | |
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<Fenrir>
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:46 am | |
| Would a pure melee MBG with 3x slow be a good melee? I'm considering MBG too right now, as I don't have Kuten. She is pretty powerful and she combos her punches fast enough so you get an increased chance of inflicting slow. But still, I kinda think she is kind of sucky-ish for a stealthy-like gameplay like with Ouka. Opinions please? | |
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Hyoka
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:59 am | |
| MBG works but she doesn't stunlock or hit fast enough for 3x slow to be better than 3x great grapplers. | |
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lucc132
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:08 am | |
| best bet for melee broad rdar ouka-like will be kuten but theres still some issues : kuten has both broad and stealth carts on her. she does not have much capacity compared to ouka. even if u tune capacity on kuten, u cant get 3x slow as her sub is directly on her LG. if u tune capa, only 2 slots left for slow. So, best ouka-like melee is still ouka  speaking of this, maybe i'll ask fia herself for some ouka tips, and try to get to know her more | |
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Aria
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:46 am | |
| - lucc132 wrote:
- speaking of this, maybe i'll ask fia herself for some ouka tips, and try to get to know her more
iirc, some already did. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:28 am | |
| - wrote:
- Stealth system ain't really that good cuz most mechs these days have Broad Radar equipped, and you shouldn't get locked on to anyways cuz you'll be going in and out of combat alot of times. Like Fia does with his Ouka.
Fia goes into combat when it's clear - she seldom goes into full on combat. Most of what she does is guerrilla warfare, and that's with the help of stealth system. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:48 am | |
| - lucc132 wrote:
- So, best ouka-like melee is still ouka
speaking of this, maybe i'll ask fia herself for some ouka tips, and try to get to know her more ^This Oh if you want any Ouka tips, ask me or an Ouka player other than Fia because she can't speak good English and basically doesn't talk in game (she's chinese). One question. What melee bots do you currently have? |
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<Fenrir>
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:55 am | |
| I want a melee to have Broad Radar, so Ouka is out of question. And my melee's are nowhere Ouka-like.
My good melees are: MBG, Scaregant, Vanguard Fencer, and Hatemachine.
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Hyoka
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:14 am | |
| - wrote:
- I want a melee to have Broad Radar, so Ouka is out of question. And my melee's are nowhere Ouka-like.
My good melees are: MBG, Scaregant, Vanguard Fencer, and Hatemachine.
Fencer is the closest you can get imo Scaregant has highest slow chance with his scatterbombs but doesn't hit fast enough to deal massive melee damage MBG.. I've already said. Hatemachine's melee is good but he doesn't do too many attacks to slow. | |
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lucc132
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:30 am | |
| - LXE wrote:
- lucc132 wrote:
- So, best ouka-like melee is still ouka
speaking of this, maybe i'll ask fia herself for some ouka tips, and try to get to know her more ^This
Oh if you want any Ouka tips, ask me or an Ouka player other than Fia because she can't speak good English and basically doesn't talk in game (she's chinese).
One question. What melee bots do you currently have? i got orange ver. ouka. dont know y ouka needs so much exp to lvl... stats i think i should be able to figure out. just gameplay wise. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Best Ouka-like melee with Broad Radar? Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:31 am | |
| Each Melee bot has its own flavour, or in other words its own playstyle. To be able to use a new melee bot, you have to learn how to play it. Here's Ouka. - Explanation of Ouka:
All Ouka novice's look up to at player called Fia, she is a Taiwanese girl who is subject to constant stalking by admirers, people who call themselves "Fia Hunters" and not to mention haters. She is somewhat treated like a princess/goddess in CosmicBreak because of her famed skill of using Ouka effectively in battle. Unbeknownst to most people though, Fia isn't the God Tier Ouka player people revere her as, she is just another good player and plays a pleothera of bots effectively and achieves great results most of the time in PVP.
The Ouka novice's are called "Fia fans" or "Fia wannabes", or in xz's words and terms "a free frag". Most of them have Imitation Fia builds which are not exact replicas, however most of them will have some of the following similarities or maybe all of them.
- 40WLK + 18FLY + Boost Run Cartridge
- Sway or no Boost Cartridge
- Stealth System
- Black Layer Ribbon or Silver Headphones
- Berry Earrings or a Cape
- Cat Tail LGJ or Ninetales LGJ
- Accel Saber BS, Katana Max BS or any other good BS for LNDs.
- Slow Tunes on Ouraikiri
- Capacity tunes, rarely.
- A unique skin to go with it
- A Fia Fan Flag BSJ
- Low TGH
- High STR
To play Ouka you need to think like a real ninja/samurai and to do that I suggest taking some Ninjutsu classes, watch Ninja based anime, read Ninja based manga or do your research. Have a look at how people wield their katana, and how a katana is used. While this sounds a bit too serious to be true and a bit weird. It actually pays off in the end, you need to think fast, move fast, attack fast, and dodge as fast as the wind.
As you can see from my explanation, a Katana is a speed based weapon, not a strength based weapon where you can just brute force everything. A katana must be wielded with speed, precision and grace. A samurai who goes into battle often comes out alive with minimal energy loss, which means he is not tired, and he is ready to re-enter the battlefield without any rest. A samurai who uses brute strength tires very quickly and will often die in the middle of the battlefield. Which brings me to summarise this paragraph.
"A Samurai never gets tired, he who gets tired is doing it wrong"
The exact same concepts can be applied when playing Ouka, she needs to move as fast as the wind, her attacks must have speed, precision and grace. If we use HP as the gauge of energy left in Ouka, we can determine if you have done something right or wrong.
A samurai does not directly engage with the enemy as this would result in a massive energy loss and he will tire easily. This means you should not directly engage the enemy, rather you should take your time, look at your surroundings and find bite sized targets that you are able to handle. If a sizable enemy force or an individual you are not able to destroy is trying to kill you, run and retreat back to your allies.
This brings me to the conclusion, Ouka requires a great deal of skill, concentration and experience to play. To be able to play her successfully, you need to practise a lot. There's a reason why you need a lot of experience to actually play her, hence the reason why she is so slow to level up.
I've spied on how Fia plays her Ouka before.  |
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