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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptyWed Dec 05, 2012 9:07 pm

i dont play hoppers all that often, but i assume that its as superb (well, propably not exactly as superb due to the different shooting angle) for hoppers as it is for swaying or floatdashing gunners: Estes AM (internal weapon: Estes Gun, has a free handslot), the one thing thats widely overlooked for whatever reason
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 06, 2012 6:00 am

can you do the hoppity hops with a boost gun?
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 06, 2012 9:20 pm

You can hop with whatever weapon you want. The effectiveness varies based on the effectiveness of the weapon. If the weapon is bad without hopping, it'll probably still be bad with hopping. I don't have a boost gun so I can't say much about the effectiveness of that particular weapon.
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 06, 2012 9:27 pm

I used to use boost gun laz a lot.

I don't know if I'd still do it.
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 16, 2012 1:28 am

I notice a number of the weapons you mentioned as good choices for hopping have pretty severe movement stats. Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Does building a hopper somehow negate the stat penalties, as opposed to boost run/sway builds?
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 16, 2012 2:02 am

Just hafta tune extensively ;w;

or play with lesser movement stats. It can be done.
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 16, 2012 2:49 am

@Pennicandies wrote:
I notice a number of the weapons you mentioned as good choices for hopping have pretty severe movement stats. Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Does building a hopper somehow negate the stat penalties, as opposed to boost run/sway builds?

hopping has always been a mobility multiplier. In 2011 I got away with a 21 wlk laz. Now you probably want more, depending on if you have quick jump or not, and how much artificial survivability you have. I wouldn't suggest anything lower than 25 wlk, and even that is pushing it. going higher than 32, to me, is wasteful.

Compare this to sway, which before the semi-recent buff, was only good when you started to get to 32+ walk, hopping requires less stat tuning, but more mobility carts, where as sway only takes one cart but requires additional tunes. Sway is much more effective when you have high mobility, but at lower mobility hopping will take you a lot further as far as evasion is concerned.

As for boost run, I don't really consider it as serving the same purpose as sway or hop. It's more for chasing and moving around the map than it is for dodging things while shooting back - this is reflected in that your aim get fucked while boost running since most cores tend to lean forward during the boost run. I've done high speed boostrun hoppers in the past, but they required fly tunes as well as walk tunes and end up being a lot more expensive than they need to be. For a similar price you can now use something like zero fighter next BS, sol volca wing BS, or full accel BS to replicate the effect of high-tier boostrun to an effect, without having to worry about keeping up your fly stat while still tuning tec and walk, which is the biggest issue with boostrun gunners. Though you have to take ammo into account when using those parts.
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 16, 2012 4:04 am

what about Pierce Shotgun Mod?
it's still pretty good for hopper and dive into healing group or crowd control but which lack is it's ammo.
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i have no idea and can't really comment on it. I don't really put cash into this game anymore so most of what I roll is from conversions so I don't get my hands on 3-7 copies of every weapon like I used too.

Going to make an update in a bit with a decent chunk of random info, including some of the things that have been suggested here.
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dont know if this Xmas Snow Bazooka is good for hopper...
just asking. :V
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That thing's like micro bazooka mod minus the perks that make micro bazooka desirable (>micro bazooka >desirable). Draw your own conclusion from there.
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I put one on my air raider to alpha with and it amused me. Not sure if my damage actually went up but it was pretty funny. I have 2 now so I may rework the build to fit both in, which will amuse me even more.

for hoppers I don't see a reason to use it when you can just use handy bazooka.
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptyWed Dec 19, 2012 10:11 am

LL Bulk Accel if I remember correctly was quite good. Haven't used it in a long, long time though.
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptyThu Feb 21, 2013 5:12 pm

there was an edit to the opening post
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptyThu Feb 21, 2013 5:19 pm

Should probably add healers onto the section for high priority targets. Bots like Melfi (especially Heart) are infinitely worth crowd diving even on higher cost cores like Machinlet to single out. Speaking of him, his core isn't actually big. It's actually very small, comparable to Red Squealer/Hound Dog BD. Cost/capa is massive still though.
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healers are really a universal target. Things I listed were more "it is your job to kill these fuckshits homogay anal beads fuck I have dicks for fingers." type of deal. If you aren't shooting healers you're dumb. Things like the arts listed are a lot harder to deal with when you are air than if you are a hopper which is why they are there.
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptyThu Mar 28, 2013 2:18 pm

edited things about cores being moved to RT shop/UC shop in the latest update.
also some other random lines were changed.
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PostSubject: Re: An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers!   An overly long and completely worthless guide to land hoppers! - Page 3 EmptyThu Mar 28, 2013 6:27 pm

Cyclotes is in the shop.

senor winty pls gib advice
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Diabolical wrote:
Cyclotes is in the shop.

senor winty pls gib advice
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Clapperoid LG could work better on Misty.

Combat Mag probably wants Rapid + G. Rapid, well that's what I did on mine.

Contact Winty-sama for more details D:
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>1s raid rifle
probably want hairforce or hshooter for 1slot weapons since those are the most effective tunes.

I don't like misty legs. I also don't like elme legs. Assuming you are dropping the last capa cart and doing hop carts+stun regain/blast guard, you can get better stats with a 0s laz LG and a 3s frog lander booster. When I played misty hopper I used a force barrier LGJ, pretty easy to fit if you take all capa and drop regain/blast guard. This statement applies to misty as well: throwing builds together, it's still better to use 0s laz legs than 3s misty hollow legs.

Grapid+force on combat mag is what I would suggest.

Probably going to want to leave misty at level 9, possibly even 8.
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Estes's BD melee is tec based? Awesome
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Pretty sure thats not Elme. S leg but, its lucheer if I remember.

And yeah I needs adivce too since, forever not good at hoppers and I have the cores just I haven't really thought of what weapons to use except pierce gun. :S
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@XiaoFu wrote:
Pretty sure thats not Elme. S leg but, its lucheer if I remember.

And yeah I needs adivce too since, forever not good at hoppers and I have the cores just I haven't really thought of what weapons to use except pierce gun. :S

Estes Mag, Combat Mag, Ballista Shooter, Scouter's Rifle, Handy Baz, Custom Mag. Renny AMs work too. And probably Piercegun AMJs. Probably.
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@Winty wrote:
When I played misty hopper I used a force barrier LGJ, pretty easy to fit if you take all capa and drop regain/blast guard
Would would you need this? You have a subweapon dedicated to being immune to bullets anyways... Sure the start up time is much faster on the force barrier but I dont think you'd need another method of protecting yourself from bullets when you already have one.

My misty build has build arm ams, froglander bs x2, laz legs with a handy mag x pierce gun (mod) combo.
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Wolfguy doko? HP tunes and K shields let you Rambo in a sense. A huge draw back is if you ever happen to fall into water, but I supposed that can be solved with Practise.( Also that bot with vulcans for internals, since it seems much more common than Wolfguy).

Well Fiz kinda came to my attention when I noticed his low cost and the ability to equip a K shield. It works pretty well despite missing quick jump.
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