Is buckler really worth its cost on Kuten? (showing my builds)

Adept Poster Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-04-29

so I just got a regular Kuten from a Hu cube and wanna make her a suicide TANK melee (27tgh+stun regain+CV...not extremely tanky but with small hit point and fast-moving combos i guess it will work), however I'm struggling with the stat distribution..or more like "should I put buckler on or not" xD. so here are my builds

[I didn't choose to tune slow for the LGs cuz I think it's not really worth the cost..I have another ninja style kuten myself before and the slow chance is just really really small so.. and since kuten's combo moves a lot i think green-tier boost run would be enough. Feel free to correct me tho xD]

btw can anybody fix the stat of Sentinel tune in Cosmicalc? D: it gives 15 HPs not 10.

With 2 busted stunguns: 36str/27tgh

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with 2 bucker on: 27str / 27 tgh (traded 9 str for 120 hp...i guess?)

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with 2 bucklers on: 33 str / 22 tgh (made the stun regain breakpoint down a level to add some str)

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EDIT: with 2 busted stunguns, green tier boost run: 34 str / 27 tgh

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so yeah...which build should I tune for her? :] any ideas/suggestions would greatly appreciated.

Why is your walk so low? You better focus on walk too.

Adept Poster Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-04-29

Kuzuha wrote:: Why is your walk so low? You better focus on walk too.

I said I wanna make her a suicide tank melee..which rushes to enemy base, deals massive dmg to healers/low HPs until I die..so tgh and str is obviously way more important.
And I have another kuten with orange tier boost run therefore I don't think I need a second one. :u

You will die on the way rushing to enemy base with that wlk.

Adept Poster Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-04-29

tggt wrote:: You will die on the way rushing to enemy base with that wlk.

Reach the group on an unimportant lane/stealth lane solves the problem. (upper area on the 2 sides of Midnight Vision etc.) My AM5 baron has the same lvl of boost run, with red sq AM as a reaching tool it can still hit mialy in 1v1 sometimes, with 100+ dmg each hit.
....Okay despite the fact that the wlk is slow, can anyone tell me should I trade bucklers for the stats?

Bucklers would be fine then.

Newbie Posts : 29 Join date : 2011-06-03

ppxeno wrote:: Reach the group on an unimportant lane/stealth lane solves the problem. (upper area on the 2 sides of Midnight Vision etc.) My AM5 baron has the same lvl of boost run, with red sq AM as a reaching tool it can still hit mialy in 1v1 sometimes, with 100+ dmg each hit.
....Okay despite the fact that the wlk is slow, can anyone tell me should I trade bucklers for the stats?

From my experience, bucklers aren't really good for a melee LND (except for some case though), so, if i was you, i'd like to give her x2 pompoms/Fireflowers for the WLK bonus and less cost.

By the way, here's a build i made time ago, see if it can interest you

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TS mentioned that he plans his Kuten to be a suicide tank. So he wants his TGH pumped up.

Ace Poster Posts : 1712 Join date : 2011-07-22 Age : 28

16 tgh goes better with cveil

procs more with okay reduction

Pump HP, poms interfere with melee combo

suicidal rush needs speed to catch non bads

Adept Poster Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-04-29

tehprognoob wrote:: 16 tgh goes better with cveil

may I ask why?

Ace Poster Posts : 1712 Join date : 2011-07-22 Age : 28

breakpoint for regain and tgh reduc, not high enough to give problems with proccing enough but enough regain to heal.

Adept Poster Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-04-29

b-but I wanna try this play style #em3

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Adept Poster Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-04-29

tggt wrote:

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Ace Poster Posts : 1761 Join date : 2011-05-26

some simple info:

a single crimson veil tune will not work for you are planning
27 toughness will most likely be more than you want for what you are planning

bucklers are efficient hp/cost but they dont go well with revenge tunes, you are better of adding health for what you want to do (for this line i will most likely be critizied by the whole bunch of ... people... again, but whatever)

on a side note:
i still find it amusing how people are still fixated at toughness breakpoints when none of them builds or plays robots on a level where they would actually matter

Grand Poster Posts : 3071 Join date : 2011-02-26 Age : 913

Aurum_Sol wrote:: bucklers are efficient hp/cost but they dont go well with revenge tunes, you are better of adding health for what you want to do (for this line i will most likely be critizied by the whole bunch of ... people... again, but whatever)on a side note:
i still find it amusing how people are still fixated at toughness breakpoints when none of them builds or plays robots on a level where they would actually matter

This makes perfect sense though. Bucklers, while cost efficient as you said, take damage that doesn't even give you a -chance- to activate a Revenge tune, which makes having both tend to somewhat counteract eachother even.

As for the second bolded, if you're saying that most people who stress breakpoints are not playing on a competent enough level for these numbers to severely matter, which is how I'm reading it, then I can't say I don't agree with you; but I have to say that it doesn't hurt to build withe mindset that you someday will

Ace Poster Posts : 1712 Join date : 2011-07-22 Age : 28

no I don't build to this level because I don't play this as much as some mmos i recently picked up. But OP wil prolly play for a while yet and might run into non-bads. So, if you can build better why the hell not? Makes everything a bit more fun

Ace Poster Posts : 1761 Join date : 2011-05-26

trill, im specifically refering to toughness breakpoints, >like i wrote< and not breakpoints in general.

for toughness its better to just calculate the value you want / need ... especially when revenge tunes are added to the build the math behind it is much more important than the breakpoints

Regular Poster Posts : 133 Join date : 2012-07-22

with cv or watever.

3s handy magnum x2 - tuned for... watever. walk str whatever you need.

yes no ?

or am i off base here?

since bucklers wouldnt allow them to proc until they are destroyed?

what do i know... right?

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