Everyone needs to read this.

@NovaZero
Yeah i'm hoping, but i'm also waiting for them to derp.

@Necrio
yeah i have a little faith in them to -do- the right thing.

@NovaZero 2nd Post
Nope. More chances to come after they do or dont do something.

@BoyTitan
yeah sorry about that. My net sometimes derps at opportune times. I'll fight you when i get back from vacation if you're okay with that xD

@Epacsten
Voice out everything said here to the GMs. Well this goes to everyone who will be in the event. Out of town for like 5 days T_T

Guys look on the bright side of things. At least they keep us busy with many "special events". In other games, they don't occur all that often and with GM's like these, who needs employees?

Honestly, I have no idea what any of you are trying to get at here.

Tell me.

Tell me as a UC player, what am I going to look forward to?

What updates have been directed at me as a player who wants to play for free instead of saying "Hello, we have new updates for our customers, the ones who actually pay for the tab!" ?

I don't enjoy playing CBJP because there's usually no one I can actually talk to ingame.

I don't enjoy playing CBNA because there's not many people I can chat with without being stopped by things like unions and balance getting in the way.



The players I enjoyed playing with aren't going to come back with an excuse.

What am I waiting for? Another excuse?

Being a full support player is so dreary.

What's the purpose of this thread now?

Nisa wrote:

What's the purpose of this thread now?

Beginning of thread: Someone links to Tempura making objective statements about what we already knew and skirting around other relevant issues.

Now: Whining about said issues.

So let sum up the complain about CB and my opinion about em
-False promises/excuses
IMO: Yes, I've seen tons of such promise/excuse on tons of game servers, public and private alike. Guess what, I've also seen tons of rants like the ones we see here on other servers. It's good to tell the developers/GM what you wants, but whine and rant about em more than necessary only annoy ppl and demoralizing newbies.

-CB need better advertising tactic
IMO: Wholeheartedly agree.

-CB need better business model:
IMO: It's not perfect, but it's not that bad, I'm neutral on this.

-Not enough updates
IMO: One per month and a new gara per week is enough.

-Not enough UC update
IMO: Kinda agree. New UC bot in the shop, changing the entire content of UC gara 1 or make a monthly UC gara would be nice.

-Need more contents:
IMO: Yes, more boss quest and Mission, better reward for team fight mode or capture the flag in union war would be nice. I'm not that dissatisfied with the current contents though.

-Rt player are over power
IMO: partial nonsense, my main Shinos are UC, using arena/quest/UC part and they can hang around star rank player with garabot. Eve is actually OP though. After the nerf when they release chaos EVE, this will be totally nonsense

-UC player don't have access to 'desirable'/'marketed' (read: Moe) bot
IMO: nonsense, through Lotto, give away event, RO cube, offered SMS-payment, level up reward and UC moe bot, I have a 30 bot garage, all of em moe-bot. My other acc on DOS, which is strictly no-Rt (no survey or SMS payment) managed to get Izuna Kamui (3 slot and detachable BS), Kurimu, Winberl Ellen, Winberl, Shino, Lagkun Long, Lily Rain, Maril March Trill.

-Garapawn is crapsack
IMO: not really, just like someone said, you guys were too fixated on the golden bot. Look at the other balls in the gara first before pressing the roll button. Worst case, you always have the option to spend Rt in the shop, quite a lot of good bot and weapons there.

-UC Garapawn is crapsack compare to CBJP
IMO: yes, and I suspected they lowered the rate since its first released, but alas, I think it's negotiable and not exactly high priority.

- VF kill me!
IMO: You fail at adapting. All I did when they released VF was slapping a gun on my pure melee Lnd bots, pwn em with UC Heligan/Kurimu or high tail out of their swing range.

- Hopper Faqs.
IMO: I've punched and shot Hoppers to dead, quite quick too if noob L-size didn't swamp to em and block my attack. You has the option to make a hopper too, last I check. Invalid complaint.

-No tier, no end game content, it's not WOW
IMO: No shit, I play CB because I'm fed up with those stuff.

-GM pay us no mind
IMO: I've played games with GMs who 'minded' their players too much or were never around. They did acknowledge your opinions, now it's a matter of their higher up's decision.

-Customer is always rite
IMO: Not really, there is no right a wrong. It's only a matter of how hard a company will carter to their demands to make more money.

-Money is always rite:
IMO: yes, yes and yes. So go buy off CS and make the changes you wanted.

-Need UC-Rt conversion and Bazaar NOW!
IMO: I'd prefer having them sooner than later, and I know it's nice. But I don't see a reason to be THIS worked up over it.

The top 2 things people really want right now are UC->Rt conversion and Bazaar. The fact that these 2 features aren't here yet despite it being the most demanded ones is why everyone's raging so hard. And frankly, I can understand why.

I just want UC-RT conversion and I'll be a happy little player.

Ahh, I forgot that
Yeah, I want them, badly.
But getting this worked up over those features? I don't think they worth the commotion.

CS's higher up probably decided it's not a pressing enough matter comparing to releasing new bots, which ate up the time they could have used to code those features in.
Ppl love their moe/manly bots and the company get more $$$. It's not that hard to see why stuff like EVE and Scaregant will come earlier than UC-Rt conversion or Bazaar.

It doesn't mean they will never come. It merely mean some stuff get released earlier.
At least features that change game play like the 'q' button get implemented almost immediately after CBJP got em

@Riverlia

You're my best friend.

I wouldn't mind seeing this UC to RT and Bazaar thing finished sooner then later, and I understand why people are getting irritated at that no reason to piss kittens, they did say they were going to do it in due time... the way I understand it is they want to implement a Bazaar for anything UC based due to the credit card issue mentioned in the diary (which is completely understandable, they're a business, if you don't get how big of an issue it could be then... I dunno what to say to you people). *sigh* This topic is too long and I keep coming back to it too much...

Let's just hope we see some new things to have fun with in these following updates to come, until then I'm having fun doing what I am doing and look forward to the game staying fun with the updates... unlike most people, I'm actually pretty satisfied with the updates when they do come, not so much the frequency of them (even though I don't have a problem with the frequency too much either) but am I the only one who really likes the lotto cube idea they had? A recommendation to the GMs is a recommendation to the GMs, but it feels like every complaint outside of their speed of doing things can be sumed up by;

1. You need to adapt better,
2. You have a gambling problem or
3. You're the sort person who complains about anything, and you're beyond help because you like to make a fuss when you're still here, still having fun, and your complaints amount closely to whining...

After getting like 2 Centaur X, 2 Katanamax 3 slot, Pawnger 3 slot, Priestol 3 slot, 2 Turtle Backer 3 slot, 2 Victory 1, 3 Drake voice, 1 Icy voice, Scouter Rifle, Handy Zook, CS staff, a few rainbow chip, various AC and misc stuff like clan foundation, I have nothing to complain about Lotto cubes

Frankly, you get a free chance to get a 3 slot or Rt bot, as well as 2 slot bot drop and various stuff like Cosmic Regret, Seraph promote and what not.
And you complain?
I did go 'dang it' when I miss a good prize or get crappy tune mat, but that's all.
"Don't look at a gift horse in the mouth", they said.

Riverlia wrote:

-CB need better business model:
IMO: It's not perfect, but it's not that bad, I'm neutral on this.

The bulk of their money is entirely from garapawn, an well, that should change, really.

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-Not enough UC update
IMO: Kinda agree. New UC bot in the shop, changing the entire content of UC gara 1 or make a monthly UC gara would be nice.

QFT, though I'd prefer to see a few UC weapons sometime.

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-Need more contents:
IMO: Yes, more boss quest and Mission, better reward for team fight mode or capture the flag in union war would be nice. I'm not that dissatisfied with the current contents though.

THIS. I hate team fight rewards, especially. Thankfully you don't have any upkeep in this game (except maybe buying limit removers).

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-Rt player are over power
IMO: partial nonsense, my main Shinos are UC, using arena/quest/UC part and they can hang around star rank player with garabot. Eve is actually OP though. After the nerf when they release chaos EVE, this will be totally nonsense

Bold part is lolcontradiction

Also, Shino was designed to be RT. She's RT on JP but UC over here (I suppose Tempura felt bad about having only Crimrose [xz wouldn't mind though] as UC)

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-UC player don't have access to 'desirable'/'marketed' (read: Moe) bot
IMO: nonsense, through Lotto, give away event, RO cube, offered SMS-payment, level up reward and UC moe bot, I have a 30 bot garage, all of em moe-bot. My other acc on DOS, which is strictly no-Rt (no survey or SMS payment) managed to get Izuna Kamui (3 slot and detachable BS), Kurimu, Winberl Ellen, Winberl, Shino, Lagkun Long, Lily Rain, Maril March Trill.

Either too expensive (Lol300rtPatty), Worse-than-gara luck based (RoflLottoCube), or surveys being rigged (though lolproxy can get around it... 'till the site bans you)

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-Garapawn is crapsack
IMO: not really, just like someone said, you guys were too fixated on the golden bot. Look at the other balls in the gara first before pressing the roll button. Worst case, you always have the option to spend Rt in the shop, quite a lot of good bot and weapons there.

You forgot RAGEBLUEBALLS

Like, if I want to tune EVE, how can I tune her if I can't even get her and end up with nothing but the tune sets?

Or even a silver robot, eh?

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-UC Garapawn is crapsack compare to CBJP
IMO: yes, and I suspected they lowered the rate since its first released, but alas, I think it's negotiable and not exactly high priority.

I'm really skeptical on if it's going to be negotiable, CS tends to shut up and ignore us if we try to bring up garapon.

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- VF kill me!
IMO: You fail at adapting. All I did when they released VF was slapping a gun on my pure melee Lnd bots, pwn em with UC Heligan/Kurimu or high tail out of their swing range.

You forgot EVE, lol.

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-No tier, no end game content, it's not WOW
IMO: No shit, I play CB because I'm fed up with those stuff. :x

There is end game content. Rewards for getting to Cosmic Hero, lolol. I don't think they're spectacular anyway.

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-GM pay us no mind
IMO: I've played games with GMs who 'minded' their players too much or were never around. They did acknowledge your opinions, now it's a matter of their higher up's decision.

They do HEAR what they say, but when they reply its either watery shit (with a solid answer coming much later) or they don't reply at all.

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-Need UC-Rt conversion and Bazaar NOW!
IMO: I'd prefer having them sooner than later, and I know it's nice. But I don't see a reason to be THIS worked up over it.

UC-Rt is the one major feature that sets us apart from JP. I mean, on JP Bazaar items have ridiculously high UC prices, lol.

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The bulk of their money is entirely from garapawn, an well, that should change, really.

The choice is yours

They know you guys either like gambling or like the grand prizes, and they put those in garapon
And you guys rolled it, and they got money from that.
They made money and you guys complained.

But wait, nobody forced you to roll. You are already aware about the consequent and the price of rolling garapawn, and decided you wanted a try regardless.

they also managed to avoid over-populate the rooms with 3 EVE or 3 Ivis commandos because, well, not everyone has em. Not to mention some bots aren't OP right now, but has the potential to be if spammed in sufficient number.
The other way is to remove em from the game entirely or revise the balance of the entire game.
If they chose to do so, not only they will waste an enormous amount of time and money, but ppl will complain because their money was wasted/meaningless too, thus the server would lose players, blah blah. You get the gist.

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Bold part is lolcontradiction

Also, Shino was designed to be RT. She's RT on JP but UC over here (I suppose Tempura felt bad about having only Crimrose [xz wouldn't mind though] as UC)

Partial nonsense
In case you missed it.

Whether Shino was Rt only or not in Jp, she's UC here
I can also replicate what I did with her on Accel Saber, with less hp and more Wlk. The only reason I mentioned her instead of Accel Saber is Shino = my main/favorite bot.

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Either too expensive (Lol300rtPatty), Worse-than-gara luck based (RoflLottoCube), or surveys being rigged (though lolproxy can get around it... 'till the site bans you)

Completely missed the point
We are talking about whether obtaining moe bot without Rt is possible.
It's very possible
Asking for the same rate of obtaining as a Rt user is plainly stupid.
On a site note, I'm in one of those country with no offer available beside SMS payment, so yeah...

And nobody force you to buy Renny, and it's rather obvious I wasn't talking about buying gara bot from shop when I said 'you have the choice to spent your Rt in shop'.

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You forgot RAGEBLUEBALLS

Like, if I want to tune EVE, how can I tune her if I can't even get her and end up with nothing but the tune sets?

Or even a silver robot, eh?

What did I say about 'don't just look at the golden bots'?
It's painfully obvious that you has a rather big chance to fail at getting the grand prizes, and a chance to get blue, so think twice and consider all the balls in the gara before you roll, Sherlock.

And I've seen ppl complaining that they can't get blue balls, so yeah.

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I'm really skeptical on if it's going to be negotiable, CS tends to shut up and ignore us if we try to bring up garapon.

More like it's not their main concern

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You forgot EVE, lol.

Not as much as the VF complain in this topic, partly because EVE gara is dead now. I was listing some prominent complaints and my opinion on them. I have no obligation to list em all or satisfy everyone with my answers, since it's frigging opinion and I'm no GM.

Want to know what I did to deal with EVE?
Run, ambush, gank, flank, stack up items and use them creatively on her, or wait for the nerf.
No body said you have to play fair against her or duel her 1v1.

Choja wrote:

Honestly, I have no idea what any of you are trying to get at here.

Tell me.

Tell me as a UC player, what am I going to look forward to?

What updates have been directed at me as a player who wants to play for free instead of saying "Hello, we have new updates for our customers, the ones who actually pay for the tab!" ?

I don't enjoy playing CBJP because there's usually no one I can actually talk to ingame.

I don't enjoy playing CBNA because there's not many people I can chat with without being stopped by things like unions and balance getting in the way.



The players I enjoyed playing with aren't going to come back with an excuse.

What am I waiting for? Another excuse?

Being a full support player is so dreary.

I don't enjoy playing CBNA because there's not many people I can chat with without being stopped by things like unions and balance getting in the way.

sorry to know that (if CBNA somehow is CBEN or CBUS and I think it is because I see NA as North America - even if I dont know u consider by North America United States only or all 3 NA countries and I dont know if US country hub is the same for all the 3 countries, here at my country its not)

anyway, taking back (and considering it the CB I play, CBUS) . . . u should try to talk to the people that I talk at the game . . we play against each other at epochs and union wars, we also play side by side at shuffle rooms and at my maps room and we talk to each other friendly without the union and balance getting in the way . . . if someone is being idiot to u, u just need to find someone that isnt . . . sure, I know thats always people that are idiots that take game life as if it was real life and if u`re not a strong player with lots of good cash (RT) stuff or if u`re not at their team, they either dont give a s**t to u or try to screw you with words just because of that . . . but most players are nice players.

Choja wrote:

Honestly, I have no idea what any of you are trying to get at here.

Tell me.

Tell me as a UC player, what am I going to look forward to?

What updates have been directed at me as a player who wants to play for free instead of saying "Hello, we have new updates for our customers, the ones who actually pay for the tab!" ?

I don't enjoy playing CBJP because there's usually no one I can actually talk to ingame.

I don't enjoy playing CBNA because there's not many people I can chat with without being stopped by things like unions and balance getting in the way.



The players I enjoyed playing with aren't going to come back with an excuse.

What am I waiting for? Another excuse?

Being a full support player is so dreary.

Then don't be full support. At this CURRENT time, I'm still a full UC player, anything RT I've gotten, I've gotten by luck from lotto cubes. I don't play much support usually, yet i still find the game enjoyable, with many people to talk to. I don't know what problems you're having, but all of the above seem kinda shallow because I've helped quite a few people in BRD and DOS, despite begin a WIZ player. We're only enemies on the battlefield of the arena you know. TO other people, these merely sound like an excuse to complain. Put simply, love it or leave it.


EDIT: also, UC players tend to get more creative with things to make up for the lack of rt, and thats part of the fun for me.

Well,what if he wants to be full support because that's what he finds fun? Your argument is basically "suck it up, if I'm fine, you must be the problem." What if he doesn't enjoy playing the other 3 types like you do apparently? Deal with it or gtfo? Well...I guess we can see what a lot of people chose...

Also, I'm pretty sure using RT items gotten from cubes doesn't count as UC, as they aren't available to everyone.

hyorinryu wrote:

Well,what if he wants to be full support because that's what he finds fun? Your argument is basically "suck it up, if I'm fine, you must be the problem." What if he doesn't enjoy playing the other 3 types like you do apparently? Deal with it or gtfo? Well...I guess we can see what a lot of people chose...

Also, I'm pretty sure using RT items gotten from cubes doesn't count as UC, as they aren't available to everyone.

yeah, but that one RT thing is misyty's swimsuit version, and i really don't like that. so i hardly use it..like ever. She deosn't NEED fanservice, she's awesome as is. i prefer normal or SIN version.

And as he said it's dreary being a support type, which indicates, logically, that he does NOT enjoy it. Now if he meant something else, then they should have indicated so. What i'm saying isn't deal with it or gtfo, but rather, try using the other types.

Raal wrote:

hyorinryu wrote:

Well,what if he wants to be full support because that's what he finds fun? Your argument is basically "suck it up, if I'm fine, you must be the problem." What if he doesn't enjoy playing the other 3 types like you do apparently? Deal with it or gtfo? Well...I guess we can see what a lot of people chose...

Also, I'm pretty sure using RT items gotten from cubes doesn't count as UC, as they aren't available to everyone.

yeah, but that one RT thing is misyty's swimsuit version, and i really don't like that. so i hardly use it..like ever. She deosn't NEED fanservice, she's awesome as is. i prefer normal or SIN version.

And as he said it's dreary being a support type, which indicates, logically, that he does NOT enjoy it. Now if he meant something else, then they should have indicated so. What i'm saying isn't deal with it or gtfo, but rather, try using the other types.

Hmmm...figured he already played all types and liked support best. I'm pretty sure he enjoys it somewhat seeing how he has 2 C.S.es and a Greinaut that I've seen him use in epoch. He was probably dissappointed in the lack of new support stuff, as there aren't too many cool supports(Berrl, Malice, Chibis, Bugsy, Pulse, and Greinaut. Maybe CS and Squiddy if we count gara) Compared to the others support gets the short end of the stick.

As much as I think it's foolish to roll multiple times on the same garapon trying to get one prize, I do understand the frustration someone goes through, knowing that is THE ONLY WAY to get the thing they wanted.

Calling it a gambling problem is very narrow minded and borders on cruelty.

Everything about this game, from the ads, to the website, to the shop art, to the lack of proper progression, all of it is designed to make people want the garapon prizes. Yeah it's random, but the perception is given that it's not going to be as hard as it actually is to get the top prize, partly because those prizes are so heavily promoted.

If the garapon was seen as just an extra, and not necessary to be able to even experience the game, (which at this point is mostly just collecting bots) it wouldn't be so frustrating. It wouldn't even be necessary to change the garapon to change that perception, if people were guided by game design to learn to play well with bots of various types and in teams.

hyorinryu wrote:

Raal wrote:

hyorinryu wrote:

Well,what if he wants to be full support because that's what he finds fun? Your argument is basically "suck it up, if I'm fine, you must be the problem." What if he doesn't enjoy playing the other 3 types like you do apparently? Deal with it or gtfo? Well...I guess we can see what a lot of people chose...

Also, I'm pretty sure using RT items gotten from cubes doesn't count as UC, as they aren't available to everyone.

yeah, but that one RT thing is misyty's swimsuit version, and i really don't like that. so i hardly use it..like ever. She deosn't NEED fanservice, she's awesome as is. i prefer normal or SIN version.

And as he said it's dreary being a support type, which indicates, logically, that he does NOT enjoy it. Now if he meant something else, then they should have indicated so. What i'm saying isn't deal with it or gtfo, but rather, try using the other types.

Hmmm...figured he already played all types and liked support best. I'm pretty sure he enjoys it somewhat seeing how he has 2 C.S.es and a Greinaut that I've seen him use in epoch. He was probably dissappointed in the lack of new support stuff, as there aren't too many cool supports(Berrl, Malice, Chibis, Bugsy, Pulse, and Greinaut. Maybe CS and Squiddy if we count gara) Compared to the others support gets the short end of the stick.

Very true. I really htink they need more "combat" oriented medics or supports, and nicole can't really count for that as a SUPORT besides her staff, cus you can't change her bit.

I say he lies unless he puts the 'now Gara RT' bot Byne-chan, Aquila-chan, TBG, and Squidol-chan into the RT shop.

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As much as I think it's foolish to roll multiple times on the same garapon trying to get one prize, I do understand the frustration someone goes through, knowing that is THE ONLY WAY to get the thing they wanted.

I did want EVE badly, and guess what I got from the gara?
Frigging blue ball
I didn't blame anyone for it beside my luck

Will you keel over and die in the arena if you cant get a certain bot? nope
You wanted them, and chose to keep rolling until you got it.

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Everything about this game, from the ads, to the website, to the shop art, to the lack of proper progression, all of it is designed to make people want the garapon prizes. Yeah it's random, but the perception is given that it's not going to be as hard as it actually is to get the top prize, partly because those prizes are so heavily promoted.

When they talk about Lotto, they always talk about the grand prize, such is the way of life.
Woot, are you telling me a gambling service should promote their last-place prize instead? "This month gara has mat tune and protector in it, spin on everybody" doesn't sound particularly interesting. Even then, you are actually not guaranteed to get blue balls...

No body said "ora, this is a guaranteed new bot". No body said "this is easy to roll". Actually if one visit the forum, everybody always say "I wish the new bot won't be gara".
Yet one will spin on, for hope of a glory time and fun with that gold bot, and for gambling addiction.

Oh, and I'd like to remind ya, while there are ppl who roll all day unable to get a certain bot, there are those who got lucky with it. I know 2 person who only gathered enough Rt for one roll hoping for Patty, both of them get her first try

So yeah, it was that easy for them.


In the end, face it, they cant remove garapon without major change to the game to re-balance it and limit certain bot, which will cost too much money and time, and I bet ppl will complain about the money they wasted on Gara becoming meaningless now while some will whine how Rt player can get all kind of stuff without trying if that happen.
CS is just a Company in the end, not the Red Cross or a collective of saints, they won't make that kind of decision just to satisfy players.

Seriously, this thread is just becoming a place where people would place their complaints.

Moral lesson
- CBEN ain't CBJP.
- Support is Support. Want to rack up frags, go play other types.
- Know that you're only playing with chance with Garapon. If you didn't get what you want, it doesn't mean that you were robbed.
- Shop is a more direct avenue if you don't want to roll Garapon. UC Shop needs some new bots to play with.
- Learn to adapt to the meta-game.
- JUST ENJOY THE GAME.
- Just leave if you don't want to play anymore. No need to troll anyone else who's still enjoying.

Lock please.